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the Army Air Forces has announced that

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applying this has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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change the game game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide to Advantage if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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I need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on The Game Changer Network

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how you doing

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I would like to welcome everybody

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listing all around the world all across

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the United States hither and tether to

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and throw back and forth up and down

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this is Fade to Black for kjcr the game

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changer and unex networks

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raise Hobbs I am your host Jimmy Church

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what is cracking everybody how you do it

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man man man

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special guests

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Ralph Blumenthal of the New York Times

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I call him professor there's a reason

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for that and tomorrow

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long

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what a week on fatal black man

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Robert Grant last night huh oh man

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that was special that was great really

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enjoyed that conversation last night

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I mean I thought about it all day

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um before I get started

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um there is

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called Mad God

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there's a movie

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called Mad God

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not for kids

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it is stop animation

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you know okay yeah you know like Sinbad

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you met with the old movies you know

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stop frame animation

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and uh not for kids don't be fooled

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and I'm gonna talk more about this in a

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little bit it I related to the

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Multiverse here in just a second

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um and I'll talk more about Mad God

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this isn't for everyone but anyone that

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watches it needs to be an adult

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and the movies are almost have the same

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title uh it's hard to be a god

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and uh which is a Russian movie uh about

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space travel and going to another planet

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and an expedition to another planet shot

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and uh an incredible movie and I think

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critics and stuff this this movie will

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fall into their uh top 10 list all-time

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great movies and uh but most haven't

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gather and they talk and they talk about

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um The Bicycle Thief okay so you know

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this film is thank you for that Ken

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priest there it is right there

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it's a tough film but it's really well

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um and now I just want to click on like

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I think Ken deleted his tweet

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why are you nervous are you nervous Ken

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nervous kind of guy

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right Ken show me who you are you better

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tweet that again oh maybe he had a typo

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that's the problem with Twitter you got

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a typo you got to delete the whole tweet

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you gotta start over

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all right uh uh I'll save the rest of

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that for later you can follow me on

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Twitter at J Church radio the sandbox is

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hashtag f2b right there in Twitter it's

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simple hashtag f2bq any questions or

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comments during the show post it over

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that's all you've got to do okay Ken

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priest comes back

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um and let me see let me see this

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he's a master I agree with that this is

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it's if you want to go to another world

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you want to go to a parallel world okay

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you know what

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save it for a bit let's get to the

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it's one of those days the FCC

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commissioner has called on the CEOs of

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Google and apple to remove Tick-Tock

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from their app stores citing new reports

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suggesting the video app popular among

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American young people is harvesting

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quote swathes of sensitive data and

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quote and is being accessed by Beijing

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five days ago Brendan Carr the

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commissioner of the Federal

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Communications Commission warned Apple

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Inc CEO Tim Cook and alphabet Inc and

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Google LLC CEO Sundar pikai of quote an

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alarming new report that shed fresh

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sheep's clothing at its core Tick Tock

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functions as a sophisticated

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surveillance tool that harvests

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sensitive data Tick Tock available to

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millions of Americans through Apple and

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Google online stores is owned by the

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Beijing based company bite dance an

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organization that car asserts is quote

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and required by Chinese law to comply

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with the PRC surveillance demands end

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the R Kelly court case

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R B singer and songwriter R Kelly was

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sentenced to 30 years in federal prison

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today following Decades of sexual abuse

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allegations last year after a six-week

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trial that included testimony from 45

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Witnesses in a Brooklyn courtroom a jury

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found him guilty of racketeering and

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known as the man Act

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at the time assistant U.S attorney

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Elizabeth Gettys said Kelly now 55

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masterminded a scheme to Target groom

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the in an indictment following his 2019

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United States quoting here traveled

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venues and to recruit women girls to

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literally in my backyard virgin orbit

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will live stream the event through the

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which uh uh the links are easy enough to

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find coverage is expected to begin at 12

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a Boeing 747 named Cosmic girl will

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you got to remember yeah to Mike well

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I'm going to watch a plane take off it's

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gonna go west fly over my house and then

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I'm gonna head out I'm gonna see if I

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can see anything but I just kind of

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doubt it all right well more big

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Mars rovers may have to drill down

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almost seven feet beneath the surface if

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they are to find evidence of ancient

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life on the red planet NASA analysis

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discovering certain amino acids would be

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a potential sign of extraterrestrials

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because they are widely used by life on

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Earth as a component to build proteins

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now proteins are essential to life we

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all know that because they are used to

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make enzymes which speed up or regulate

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chemical reactions and to make

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structures however

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new research by the U.S space agency has

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revealed that amino acids in the Martian

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surface are destroyed by cosmic rays

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much faster than previously thought

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current Mars Rover missions only drill

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down to about two inches NASA says that

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the first rocks collected by the

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perseverance Rover revealed the gisero

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crater was once a potentially quote a

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potentially habitable sustained

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environment end quote

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wow

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that's crazy I'm telling you we're going

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to get some breaking news off Mars I

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mean like the real deal breaking news

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it's going to happen pretty soon let's

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on this day in history in 1995 the space

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shuttle Atlantis docks with the Russian

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space station mirror to form the largest

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man-made satellite ever to orbit the

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back when we were friends

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I'm not picking you up no more man to go

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to school no ain't happening walk past

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your friend your ex-friend in the

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hallway no more passing notes you're not

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doing nothing anymore

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uh who's gonna break the ice first

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between Russia and the United States now

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after all of this who's gonna How's that

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gonna happen

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I just don't know here's your fader fact

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and we were so close with Russia we have

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McDonald's and Starbucks

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you know it was it was it was so close

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man

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so close

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India so far

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here's your fader fact now out of all of

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my fader facts

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and try to make sure that they're hard

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to believe but true right okay strange

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but true right I try to do that and

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they're a lot of fun and you can go and

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vet

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any fader fact

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and tonight's

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is the most um unbelievable yet

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Ronald McDonald's purple friend

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is an enormous

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and that

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it's true

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now who was the marketing genius behind

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that

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right we're gonna have the Hamburglar

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makes sense Hamburglar right makes sense

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we're gonna have a giant purple taste

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bud a what

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purple

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what

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think about it

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all right all right all right

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it's true

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and we're gonna call them

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grimace

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because that's what everybody at the

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and that

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is your fader in fact tonight we welcome

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very special guests back to this program

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Ralph Blumenthal is here one of the

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great journalists of our time and

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tomorrow night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long now let

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me hit this

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oh man

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all right

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yeah Mad God Mad God

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Mad God click on the links over at

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jimmychurchradio.com Fade to Black blend

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best coffee in the world that's it

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that's it there isn't anything better

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there isn't a better coffee there is not

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you think there is there isn't there's

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it doesn't exist

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that is a giant purple taste bud

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all right

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well

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it appears oh man it was too good it

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that's

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it appears that the most popular

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sci-fi subject

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right now

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the Multiverse started to get

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started to gain steam a few years ago in

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the scientific circles

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and uh

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and if you go back and you you do a

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little bit of research on this and who

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who said it first and what does it mean

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and and and so forth it never really

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gained traction it just it just didn't

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and there were several physicists that

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would talk about this

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um

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but no no it just it just didn't get any

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traction

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and but you did you had a few rock star

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physicists mentioning it and uh uh

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specifically I can point to

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uh Brian Green's

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um I think it was Nat Geo

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his TV series on on physics uh which

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which was great matters probably

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10 15 years ago now he was so young and

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fresh

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but he he did one episode

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and he had each Universe looking like an

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earth

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or you know like a planet you know

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around and and that each one would be a

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little bit different and you know here's

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ours and then

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and hangings Fierce like um Christmas

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ornaments kind of thing and and that's

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how he

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kind of a positioned uh this imagery uh

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with this but he he was one of the first

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to kind of talk about this but it just

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never really really caught on

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and but one thing is for sure

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you know there are a few different

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versions of What the Multiverse is

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computed from versioned but

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it's pretty dang cool to fantasize about

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the new blockbuster movies that are out

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right now uh released this year have the

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Multiverse as their co-star everything

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everywhere all at once a fantastic movie

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I've only watched it twice I want to get

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through the third time I'm just really

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busy but fantastic movie and I just

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watched this week you know Doctor

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Strange Multiverse Madness

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again different take on the Multiverse

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but it's right there in the title of the

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movie Doctor Strange Multiverse Madness

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so

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I remember talking about this many years

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ago on on Fade to Black way before the

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current Multiverse Madness

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and I had described what I thought it

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would be like if I just backed up my car

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in Reverse looking at Earth

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putting things in reverse and just

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backed up

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until I reached the end of it all you

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know so back back up out of our solar

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system the Earth disappears and then and

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uh we're out of our solar system keep

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backing up and then we're out of the

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Milky Way the Milky Way disappears into

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now it's just a DOT you know the imagery

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and keep pulling out and all of the all

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of the other galaxies are right you know

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to tourney and maybe you know get out to

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the edge of the universe and then back

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out of that you know and and and I

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remember

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having some pretty dramatic visual

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thoughts about all of this

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and and then you know exiting out of the

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universe you know the grand exit you

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know what would I see what you know and

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so you just keep keep pulling back keep

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pulling back keep pulling back and I I

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have the same Visions now that I had

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back then when I think about this

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because when you pull out of our

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universe

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eventually it's gonna turn into Little

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Dot right Little Star

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and it's going to have little stars

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around it but those stars are universes

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right

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wouldn't be Stars no they wouldn't they

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would be other universes now the

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distance is between these universes

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would be enormous Stars right

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you know and if you think about it

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it's like this

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85 billion light years across our our

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universe right and if you're looking at

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other stars in this Multiverse

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and uh you know four or five ten times

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you know 400 billion light years in

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between so travel between them

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is nearly impossible right

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yeah

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that's what you would fantasize about

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00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,020
that's what you would write about

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right

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you know we have the numbers for our own

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Universe we have those numbers

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an expanding universe

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but

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in the multi one of the Multiverse

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versions uh when we talk about this is

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that in our universe in our universe

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there must be multiple maybe infinite

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versions of you of me it's a numbers

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game right we know the numbers the huge

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numbers

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but

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things take another turn to another

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level

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in the Multiverse

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as big as the numbers are here but if

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there are

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multiverses out there surrounding hours

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just to the infinite holy crap

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right now we're talking

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now we're able to investigate this

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and the Multiverse version and

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00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:43,020
everything everywhere all at once I like

510
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,640
the approach to that

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the way that it's dealt with in Doctor

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Strange Multiverse Madness I dig that

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too and then

514
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:55,320
there is Mad God

515
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:57,960
okay so you want to experience the

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Multiverse you want to know you want to

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just go you want to tonight you want to

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00:29:07,330 --> 00:29:05,640
go and experience it you want to go see

519
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:07,340
something that you've never seen before

520
00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:11,520
an absolute foreign experience

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00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:13,860
Mad God

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00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:22,740
with this thing this dude being dropped

523
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:27,360
on a on a on a chain on a rope down

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through

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00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:32,460
and and that opening 10 minutes

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00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,520
will freak you out of your mind and then

527
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:37,679
as it continues and the things that are

528
00:29:45,169 --> 00:29:42,960
experienced and and him just go it is so

529
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:45,179
otherworldly

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00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:47,640
I can't put it into words it is it's

531
00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:49,980
that strange and that foreign and that

532
00:29:55,930 --> 00:29:51,960
much fun

533
00:29:58,090 --> 00:29:55,940
it's it's violent at times it's it's

534
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grotesque at times

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00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:00,360
sexual at times

536
00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:03,179
it's it's all of these strange things

537
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:04,919
but

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00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:08,159
you wouldn't expect to understand

539
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:09,899
anything

540
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:12,419
in Another Universe would you

541
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right

542
00:30:18,649 --> 00:30:17,580
okay so it's not for everybody it's not

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00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:18,659
but

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00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:23,580
it and if you enjoy no matter what

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00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,340
you're gonna hit me back and go dude

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00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,320
whoa

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00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:30,960
I went there

548
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:32,940
check it out it's a great movie The

549
00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:35,399
Multiverse is here man the Multiverse is

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00:30:40,990 --> 00:30:37,020
here

551
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,000
just like time travel teleportation

552
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:44,399
alien alien Amazon Women on the moon

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00:30:48,649 --> 00:30:45,899
whatever it is

554
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,659
the films in the past the Multiverse is

555
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:50,640
here we're going to get many doses of it

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as we continue forward I am your host

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Timmy church this is Fade to Black

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tonight on this very program

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00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:00,960
It's the Return of Ralph Blumenthal he

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00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,840
is here and I'm very excited about the

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00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,519
conversation I'm about to have tonight

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00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:07,679
with Ralph tomorrow night is another

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00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,980
fader night with open lines all night

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long I am your host Jimmy church I'll be

565
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right back after this short break with

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our guests

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[Music]

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[Music]

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welcome back faded black I am your host

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Jimmy church tonight

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is the return of round Blumenthal we're

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going to be discussing uh lots of stuff

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we're gonna get caught up on

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the latest in the world of UFOs and uaps

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I'm going to take Ralph in that

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direction he doesn't have a choice in

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that but we're also going to discuss the

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release of the believer in paperback

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00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:31,680
that is going down right now he's a

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distinguished lecturer at a Baruch

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College in the city of University of New

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York

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00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,119
was an award-winning reporter for the

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00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:41,520
New York Times from 1964 all the way to

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00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:44,040
2009 and has written and co-authored

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seven books on organized crime and

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00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:49,200
cultural history he uh co-authored the

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00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:50,700
recent series of groundbreaking times

661
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,619
articles on The Secret Pentagon program

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to investigate UFOs led the times of

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Metro team that won a poodle at surprise

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for breaking news coverage of the 1993

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truck bombing of the World Trade Center

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and in 2001 he was named a fellow of the

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John Simon Guggenheim Memorial

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Foundation say that five times two

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research the progressive career and

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penal reforms of warden Lewis e laws for

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00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:17,640
more than 45 years he has reported for

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the times as Texas correspondent and

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00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:22,800
Southwest bureau chief arts and culture

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news reporter investigative and crime

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reporter foreign correspondent in West

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Germany

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I need more breath South Vietnam and

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Cambodia and the metro and Westchester

679
00:37:35,329 --> 00:37:33,720
correspondent he began his journalism

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career as a reporter journalist

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00:37:43,329 --> 00:37:37,560
columnist for the Grand Prairie daily

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news in Texas in 1963. his website is

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00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:46,740
ralphbloomenthal.com I could continue I

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00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:48,300
could continue it's the one of the

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00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:52,260
craziest CVS in reported history I would

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00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:54,060
like to welcome back Ralph Blumenthal

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00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:55,980
Ralph how you doing my man great Jimmy

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00:38:00,770 --> 00:37:57,720
great to be on with you again thank you

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00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:00,780
for that great intro you know I had six

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00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:03,900
more paragraphs it was like one of your

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00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:05,960
articles you know

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00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,680
thank you yes right and uh let me can I

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start off with a question that you've

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say yes

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sure

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do you guys I always picture

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journalists and professors and

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00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:28,440
especially that deal with culture and

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00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:30,359
the Arts and you know throwing in little

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00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:35,040
politics little UFOs that you guys hang

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00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:40,320
out at some sidewalk coffee shop chain

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00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:43,500
smoking cigarettes and discussing world

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00:38:48,730 --> 00:38:46,020
events uh to the wee hours in the

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00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,810
but that's not the way journalists

705
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:52,800
operate anymore we're hunched over our

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00:38:58,490 --> 00:38:56,880
you know our mobile units and um uh we

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00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:58,500
get to bed early

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00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,160
um uh don't drink all night anymore so

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um no that's that's the old style did

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00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,240
you did you used to do that though hang

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00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:09,119
out and Che Guevara and braze and and

712
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:11,880
discuss and Ponder the significance of

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00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,460
world events and and change I mean you

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00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:16,800
know when I started in the newspaper

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00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,359
business I mean you know it sounds like

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00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,119
the 2 000 year old man here but

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00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:23,280
um it was way before the uh you know the

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00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:24,839
internet age and we actually use

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typewriters and we had to talk to people

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face to face in person

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um so we had to go to the library to

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00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:35,700
research stuff so um it was much more

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00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:38,280
Hands-On it was a different era and we

724
00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:39,420
didn't know anything else I mean that's

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00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,920
what journalists did it was called shoe

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00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:42,960
leather reporting and you wouldn't you

727
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:44,460
know interviewed people in person and

728
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:46,200
you hung out with your colleagues and

729
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,420
you after you finish your story on

730
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,160
Deadline you went to the bar and you

731
00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:52,079
hashed it all over with your you know

732
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:55,140
buddies so um that's the way it used to

733
00:40:02,089 --> 00:39:58,980
be yeah yeah that that was only 20 years

734
00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:02,099
ago by the way and see here's the thing

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00:40:07,309 --> 00:40:05,160
um computers are great the editing and

736
00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:07,319
and things and the efficiency and

737
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:09,420
sending your files and working remotely

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00:40:14,809 --> 00:40:12,180
and all of that that's all great but do

739
00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:14,819
you miss your IBM selectric

740
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:17,339
well you know what I miss I miss the

741
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:20,520
idea of having a news cycle that ended I

742
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:22,440
mean when you finished your story that

743
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:25,380
was it for the night now uh you gotta

744
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,420
update your story you're constantly on

745
00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:29,760
if something happens you know you have

746
00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:33,060
to file again and uh I mean it's a

747
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:36,060
24-hour news cycle so uh it's it's a

748
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,800
very different world I mean it's good in

749
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,839
a way because people find out what's

750
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:42,000
happening all the time but it puts a

751
00:40:46,970 --> 00:40:44,940
tremendous burden on journalists and uh

752
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:46,980
I mean I like the old way but we can't

753
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:50,400
go back to that you know in the uh we're

754
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:52,440
gonna get to you in just a second but

755
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:54,420
having the opportunity to just sit here

756
00:40:59,630 --> 00:40:57,480
and talk uh with you Ralph is is a it's

757
00:41:01,849 --> 00:40:59,640
an honor and it's a privilege and I I

758
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:01,859
get to ask the real questions so here's

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00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:03,060
another one

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00:41:08,290 --> 00:41:06,300
um in the in the old days when they

761
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:08,300
printed paper right

762
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,900
the uh it was selling copies right

763
00:41:19,069 --> 00:41:15,359
newsstands on the street Paperboy you

764
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:19,079
know selling copies and that dictated

765
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:22,920
the news and and what was happening and

766
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:26,040
and the circulation is it the same today

767
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:29,880
as clicks or as clicks a different

768
00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:32,040
mindset altogether I know they're

769
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,500
similar a circle I mean a square can be

770
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:36,960
a rectangle rectangle you know I I get

771
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:39,839
that but are they do they hold the same

772
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:42,480
value no you know I I actually teach a

773
00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:44,700
course on this at the Baruch College of

774
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:46,859
course in fake news a lectured on this

775
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:48,660
uh it's it's a completely different

776
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:50,760
world you used to know where the news

777
00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:52,440
was coming from I mean you picked up the

778
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:54,780
New York Times The Herald Tribune Daily

779
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:57,599
News National Enquirer I mean you name

780
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:00,780
it at least you knew that the uh the

781
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:03,960
news organization putting that out uh

782
00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:05,940
you know was responsible for that

783
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,560
content and you know that trained

784
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,599
reporters or maybe reporters not so well

785
00:42:13,609 --> 00:42:11,640
trained but you know actual reporters

786
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,619
were putting it out now the news is

787
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:15,119
coming from every which direction it's

788
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,640
like drinking from a fire hose

789
00:42:21,790 --> 00:42:20,400
um sometimes it's it's wonderful uh you

790
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,800
know you're getting news from

791
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:23,760
non-professionals people who just

792
00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:26,040
capture things on their cell phones

793
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:28,140
which is good they capture police

794
00:42:32,329 --> 00:42:29,880
brutality

795
00:42:34,609 --> 00:42:32,339
um you know live things that they happen

796
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,619
to see but you you really don't know

797
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:37,200
where the news is coming from so you

798
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:39,240
have to everybody every news consumer

799
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,960
has to evaluate it for his or herself so

800
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:44,880
that's what's completely different I

801
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,260
mean uh

802
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,760
um the what would you call The

803
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:49,980
Gatekeepers you used to know who they

804
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:51,960
were it was the you know the established

805
00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:54,060
new songs it was NBC News it was the

806
00:42:59,089 --> 00:42:56,280
Wall Street Journal now news is coming

807
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:59,099
out on social media and you don't know

808
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,260
where it comes from so it could be good

809
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:03,599
could not be good but uh it's it's a

810
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:05,880
completely different world it's a it's

811
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,520
also uh I hate to say this because I use

812
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:10,800
it it's a cut and paste style of

813
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,940
Journalism

814
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:13,920
well I mean people are you know putting

815
00:43:17,690 --> 00:43:15,960
stuff out all the time and they're

816
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:17,700
taking it from other people and they're

817
00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:21,180
putting on rumors and uh so as I said I

818
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:22,980
mean sometimes it's good because you're

819
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:24,900
getting access to people who didn't have

820
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:28,079
access to uh you know the news the gate

821
00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:30,900
The Gatekeepers before they weren't you

822
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:33,240
know official reporters for a mainstream

823
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:36,060
news organization but

824
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,800
um you're right it's cut and paste

825
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:39,599
people are putting two and two together

826
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:42,660
and you know getting five or eight and

827
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,540
uh it puts a tremendous burden on the uh

828
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,480
on the consumer today

829
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,119
um you know when you ever back when we

830
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:53,339
were kids you had a project in the house

831
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:55,619
your dad or your mom would say go get a

832
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:57,420
newspaper put it out on the floor and

833
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,660
we'll do whatever and I I work on I have

834
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,640
a lot of guitars I was working on a

835
00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:05,280
guitar today now with sanding and I went

836
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,050
you have one you can't put a cell phone

837
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:14,400
down on the floor and work on it no you

838
00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:16,260
know that's exactly right I had to sand

839
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:18,599
on a cell phone and what about lining

840
00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:20,700
all those parakeet cages you know you

841
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:21,900
can't line them with cell phones

842
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:25,560
training a puppy to pee what are you

843
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:28,200
gonna do I pee on my cell phone okay all

844
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:29,400
right

845
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:32,220
um now let's back up uh beef I want to

846
00:44:35,809 --> 00:44:33,540
talk about the believer and we'll do

847
00:44:36,670 --> 00:44:35,819
that at the top of the hour

848
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:36,680
um

849
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:40,260
you you must feel a certain I don't know

850
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:42,300
if it's like a beast of burden right I I

851
00:44:49,309 --> 00:44:46,560
don't know uh but you must feel uh a

852
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:49,319
certain satisfaction and responsibility

853
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:52,800
behind where we are today with with

854
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:55,740
congress with the Senate the uh the UAP

855
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:59,280
task force the Department of Defense

856
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:01,800
um and and everything that has just

857
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:03,720
risen to the surface in the last four

858
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:08,819
years did you have any idea it was a

859
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:10,920
great article and you I'm sure you were

860
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:13,079
proud of it but did you have any idea

861
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:14,579
that that thing would have this kind of

862
00:45:18,589 --> 00:45:15,660
legs

863
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:18,599
no actually we didn't I mean when Leslie

864
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:22,380
Kane and I and um

865
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,079
uh you know when we uh wrote that first

866
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:27,599
article in December 2017 Elaine Cooper

867
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:31,680
the Pentagon uh Bureau in uh times

868
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,380
Washington Bureau put that story

869
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:36,900
together uh we really had no

870
00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:38,520
expectations that it would you know

871
00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:40,740
people called it a game changer a

872
00:45:44,210 --> 00:45:42,660
paradigm changer

873
00:45:48,250 --> 00:45:44,220
um you know for so long the government

874
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:48,260
has been lying to us about UFOs

875
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:50,940
discrediting Witnesses saying there's

876
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:53,640
nothing to see here uh you know swamp

877
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:56,220
gas you know all the stories

878
00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:58,200
um but then secretly they were

879
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,500
monitoring these UFOs UAP whatever they

880
00:46:04,849 --> 00:46:03,119
wanted to call them the unidentified

881
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,859
objects

882
00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:06,720
um but they weren't announcing it and

883
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:08,700
this Pentagon office had been operating

884
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:12,420
since at least 2007

885
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:14,700
um and we were we were able to break

886
00:46:19,069 --> 00:46:16,859
that story that the government really

887
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:19,079
was concerned about these things the

888
00:46:23,569 --> 00:46:20,520
only people who didn't know about it was

889
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:23,579
it was the people the public so it was

890
00:46:28,609 --> 00:46:25,560
long overdue so we were able to tell

891
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:28,619
that story it got the ball rolling

892
00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:30,540
um it is amazing where we are today you

893
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,060
know a lot of people focus on

894
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:35,760
um what hasn't been done and the

895
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:39,900
shortcomings of the uh 2021 UAP task

896
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:42,480
force report and the shortcomings of the

897
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:45,240
Congressional hearings in May

898
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:48,300
that's all true but I really do prefer

899
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:51,060
to look and see how far we've come from

900
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,160
a time when the government uh really

901
00:46:58,089 --> 00:46:55,920
ridiculed uh these stories and now

902
00:47:02,930 --> 00:46:58,099
they're pursuing them

903
00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:02,940
uh are you okay with are you I said we'd

904
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:05,460
wait until the top of the hour to talk

905
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:07,740
about the believer but when it comes to

906
00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:11,339
UFOs and uaps Ralph are are you a

907
00:47:14,569 --> 00:47:13,319
Believer now did something change for

908
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:14,579
you

909
00:47:24,770 --> 00:47:22,859
know what I like to say is it's like

910
00:47:26,329 --> 00:47:24,780
asking first of all you know do you

911
00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:26,339
believe in in the ocean do you believe

912
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:28,140
in the moon

913
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:31,140
um the fact is there are these objects

914
00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:35,339
up there and in the water sometimes that

915
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,099
uh defy understanding

916
00:47:42,770 --> 00:47:40,319
um and it's not a question of believing

917
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:42,780
in them or not believing in them they

918
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,480
they exist the question is what what are

919
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:48,000
they where do they come from who's who

920
00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:50,280
or what is behind the wheel all these

921
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:52,260
questions that have have obviously no

922
00:47:57,049 --> 00:47:55,020
answers but it's not a question of do

923
00:47:58,809 --> 00:47:57,059
you believe that that they're up there

924
00:48:01,609 --> 00:47:58,819
they're up there because the Navy

925
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:01,619
instruments have captured them uh

926
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:03,240
they've been countless photographs over

927
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,579
the years some very good some not so

928
00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:06,960
good

929
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:09,420
um but now at least the government is

930
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:10,680
admitting

931
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,680
officially that yeah these are there are

932
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:16,319
objects physical real physical objects

933
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,660
up there and you can believe in them you

934
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,700
cannot believe in them but they're there

935
00:48:24,049 --> 00:48:22,079
so

936
00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:24,059
um that's what I like to say it's not a

937
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:25,619
question of belief

938
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:28,260
uh you know you don't have to believe

939
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,579
they're still going to be up there

940
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:31,859
whether you believe in them or not

941
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:35,700
are you the UFO professor

942
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:37,740
you know what I mean a

943
00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:39,420
you're walking down the hall you're

944
00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:41,640
going to your office you got to go grade

945
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:45,180
some papers you got to give a lecture do

946
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:47,880
you do you think about that whereas you

947
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:50,280
know no I mean I have a lot of different

948
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:53,160
hats I mean I I lecture about journalism

949
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:56,700
I teach uh I'm up in Exeter now which is

950
00:49:03,290 --> 00:48:59,599
really you know Ground Zero of the UFO

951
00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:03,300
industry a lot of stuff happened up here

952
00:49:08,829 --> 00:49:06,300
and I'm teaching other courses as I

953
00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:08,839
don't live breathe you know and and

954
00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:12,119
sleep UFOs uh I think about them

955
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:14,819
sometimes I I respond when I'm asked I

956
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:17,160
love to talk about I wrote the book uh

957
00:49:21,049 --> 00:49:18,180
though you know we're going to talk

958
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,059
about but I have other parts to my uh

959
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,280
you know to my life

960
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:24,960
now

961
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:28,200
um the I want to go back to May 17th and

962
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:30,960
which was pretty extraordinary uh where

963
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:33,780
we had the house you know pull this

964
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:37,140
together and have what some say was the

965
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:40,140
first Hearing in over 50 years uh I

966
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:42,839
think that the general flavor of that

967
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:45,420
hearing Ralph I'm I I will say it was

968
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:48,240
the first time ever because it was a

969
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:50,339
different approach and there was a

970
00:49:55,010 --> 00:49:53,160
reason why we were having that hearing

971
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:55,020
it was different than what happened in

972
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:56,760
the late 60s

973
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:58,680
um and and that approach

974
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:01,380
um but this time around that was pretty

975
00:50:05,870 --> 00:50:03,720
extraordinary and we're about to have

976
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:05,880
more uh what's your what was your

977
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:08,220
takeaway as as you watched those 90

978
00:50:11,329 --> 00:50:09,240
minutes

979
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:11,339
well as you say I think it was

980
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:13,800
extraordinary that they even existed the

981
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:16,140
hearings that uh

982
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:18,900
um you know the last ones were in uh I

983
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:22,200
think 68 and you know Gerald Ford had a

984
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:23,160
hearing

985
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:25,380
um and you know we've come a long way

986
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:27,180
since then

987
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,020
um so that in itself is extraordinary

988
00:50:36,829 --> 00:50:33,359
um I have you know a lot of questions

989
00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:36,839
and and criticisms of of the hearing and

990
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:39,480
what you know the two witnesses uh uh

991
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:41,700
Ronald Moultrie and Scott Bray top

992
00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:44,400
Pentagon and defense department people

993
00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:48,300
Naval intelligence people who testified

994
00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:51,780
um uh I mean for example they said that

995
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,400
they were not aware of any materials

996
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,200
being recovered now

997
00:51:00,049 --> 00:50:57,440
now we were restoring the times that

998
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:00,059
members of Congress were actually or

999
00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:03,960
congressional committees were briefed

1000
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:06,540
um they were classified briefing so we

1001
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:07,980
don't know much about it but they were

1002
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:10,020
briefed on

1003
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,650
yes yes reported crashes and recoveries

1004
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,760
of material now we were not able to find

1005
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,680
out very much for the New York Times and

1006
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,359
we you know a lot of people wanted to

1007
00:51:25,309 --> 00:51:23,280
hear more but we have to stick to the

1008
00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:25,319
you know the facts what we can confirm

1009
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,720
but the fact that Congress was actually

1010
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,240
briefed on on the subject is interesting

1011
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:32,880
in itself so they said no they have no

1012
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:35,760
materials now that maybe they the two

1013
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:38,940
witnesses were being literal and saying

1014
00:51:44,890 --> 00:51:41,460
that they but both of them were not

1015
00:51:47,569 --> 00:51:44,900
holding material in their houses okay

1016
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:47,579
but that didn't satisfy me I think

1017
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:51,119
there's much more to that story and

1018
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:55,440
um they also testified that um

1019
00:52:01,549 --> 00:51:58,800
um you know U.S aircraft never tried to

1020
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:01,559
shoot down a UFO now we hear differently

1021
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:04,319
I mean there are many accounts that

1022
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:07,020
we've examined that show that over the

1023
00:52:11,809 --> 00:52:08,460
years

1024
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:11,819
um uh you know Navy planes have tried to

1025
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:14,880
intercept UFOs and on occasion I took a

1026
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:16,680
hostile action against them to see what

1027
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:19,980
they were now again maybe these two

1028
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:22,020
witnesses didn't know about that or

1029
00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:24,180
wasn't exactly in their purview I think

1030
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:27,420
they worded it artfully but

1031
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:29,160
um that left a lot of questions so then

1032
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:30,660
you know a lot of things were left out

1033
00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:33,660
of the hearing that were not cleared up

1034
00:52:38,290 --> 00:52:35,940
um but the fact that there was a hearing

1035
00:52:44,569 --> 00:52:38,300
in the first place is extraordinary

1036
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,579
the uh the comments uh post hearing from

1037
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:47,520
representative Tim burchett

1038
00:52:54,049 --> 00:52:50,880
um were pretty I mean for me for him to

1039
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:54,059
be so direct and for him to apologize to

1040
00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:55,980
the Press going I'm not pointing at you

1041
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:00,420
I'm just angry and and for him to call

1042
00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:04,140
all of this a sham and as an elected

1043
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:07,980
representative for him to say that we

1044
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,280
have been lied to by our government the

1045
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:13,200
American people are being lied to and

1046
00:53:18,109 --> 00:53:15,720
this was a sham and we've got to get to

1047
00:53:21,410 --> 00:53:18,119
the bottom of this those were pretty

1048
00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:21,420
extraordinary words on about any subject

1049
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,859
but this is about UFOs right and what do

1050
00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:26,880
you think what do you think about Timber

1051
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:29,099
Chet's uh comments you know there are

1052
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,500
some very courageous members of Congress

1053
00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:33,839
who have taken the lead on this I mean

1054
00:53:37,549 --> 00:53:35,640
Senator gillibrand whose Amendment

1055
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:37,559
actually provided for this new agency

1056
00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:40,440
with the pronounceable name right maybe

1057
00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:42,119
maybe they picked a name that no one

1058
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:43,740
would remember on purpose to keep it

1059
00:53:48,890 --> 00:53:45,540
secret but

1060
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:48,900
um uh so you know again it's a far cry

1061
00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:50,460
from

1062
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,400
um the uh unwillingness of members of

1063
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,440
Congress over the years to take on this

1064
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,119
issue because of the stigma I mean

1065
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,520
that's always been a problem

1066
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,920
um and no one had the courage really to

1067
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,079
say that you know there's a real issue

1068
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,720
here and we gotta we gotta examine it

1069
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:08,640
scientifically not to believe in it and

1070
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:11,220
not to believe in it but to look at it

1071
00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:13,800
uh with all the tools that we have the

1072
00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:15,900
high technology

1073
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,420
um to that there is something real going

1074
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:21,359
on and we better find out what it is so

1075
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:23,640
for a long time members of Congress

1076
00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:25,740
weren't willing to take that courageous

1077
00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:27,180
step

1078
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,300
um and now people you know like uh you

1079
00:54:35,089 --> 00:54:32,880
know Burchette R which is laudable and

1080
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:35,099
and Senator gillibrand

1081
00:54:41,690 --> 00:54:39,599
um and Marco Rubio uh you know uh so

1082
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,700
um I mean that's encouraging so some of

1083
00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:43,680
the stigma is falling away and I think

1084
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,680
we need that in order to get at at the

1085
00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:48,720
situation to understand what what is

1086
00:54:52,849 --> 00:54:49,740
going on

1087
00:54:55,069 --> 00:54:52,859
are the right questions being asked uh

1088
00:54:58,190 --> 00:54:55,079
by the house and and the Senate at this

1089
00:55:01,250 --> 00:54:58,200
point and if not uh what should be done

1090
00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:01,260
differently in future hearings which

1091
00:55:05,569 --> 00:55:03,420
apparently several are scheduled still

1092
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,579
for a 2022.

1093
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,160
well you know I think this has to be a

1094
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:10,319
an incremental thing step by step you

1095
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:11,460
know there are National Security

1096
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:14,040
considerations here

1097
00:55:18,589 --> 00:55:16,140
um you know we're in the same boat with

1098
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:18,599
the Russians and the Chinese these these

1099
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:22,140
uh UAP or UFOs are not Russian or

1100
00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:23,940
Chinese so they are trying to find out

1101
00:55:30,049 --> 00:55:27,540
just like we are what's going on and if

1102
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,059
we you know find out more than they do

1103
00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:31,920
we don't want them to know what we know

1104
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:34,020
because this is a race to that

1105
00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:36,540
technology I mean this is extraordinary

1106
00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:40,020
technology the ability to cloak you know

1107
00:55:46,609 --> 00:55:43,500
to turn invisible to turn on a dime

1108
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:46,619
operate underwater reach an unimaginable

1109
00:55:50,990 --> 00:55:48,180
speeds

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00:55:54,250 --> 00:55:51,000
um and to use a source of power that we

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00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:54,260
don't presently have nobody on Earth has

1112
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:56,760
these are all you know tremendous

1113
00:56:02,390 --> 00:55:58,740
breakthroughs so I understand that that

1114
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:02,400
there's a national security element here

1115
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:05,460
um so this has to be done you know

1116
00:56:11,450 --> 00:56:09,119
methodically step by step so but I think

1117
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:11,460
the the American public is entitled to

1118
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:13,140
certain answers because

1119
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:13,740
um

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00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:18,720
uh our taxpayer dollars are funding

1121
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:21,660
um you know these these Navy pilots and

1122
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:23,700
the technology that is you know

1123
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:27,839
detecting the these uaps so um I think

1124
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:29,819
that the public has a right to know and

1125
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,119
if if these things are extraterrestrial

1126
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:35,520
and they represent a threat to the

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00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:38,040
planet and Mankind

1128
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:39,780
um and that's something certainly

1129
00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:43,260
Humanity has a right to know I would say

1130
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:44,700
um so

1131
00:56:48,829 --> 00:56:47,160
um you know there there's serious issues

1132
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,839
here so it's a balancing act you know

1133
00:56:52,430 --> 00:56:50,400
I'm not one of these people say full

1134
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:52,440
disclosure you know let everything hang

1135
00:56:57,049 --> 00:56:54,780
out everything has to be put out

1136
00:56:59,450 --> 00:56:57,059
um I think it has to be on a sort of a

1137
00:57:01,250 --> 00:56:59,460
case-by-case basis but

1138
00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:01,260
um I do think the government should stop

1139
00:57:06,829 --> 00:57:04,380
you know lying and and and telling

1140
00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:06,839
untruths at least if they would say we

1141
00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:08,460
can't discuss this we can't discuss that

1142
00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:10,140
that's better than putting out a fake

1143
00:57:16,250 --> 00:57:13,020
story yeah uh certainly and and Timber

1144
00:57:17,770 --> 00:57:16,260
Chets come and others not just uh

1145
00:57:20,289 --> 00:57:17,780
Burchette

1146
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:20,299
certainly imply

1147
00:57:26,329 --> 00:57:24,000
that the government and and agencies

1148
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:26,339
whatever them right let's just go with

1149
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:27,359
them

1150
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,160
um do know

1151
00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:31,920
what is going on and are certainly

1152
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,540
sitting on

1153
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:36,000
secrets and they are not being clear

1154
00:57:41,569 --> 00:57:39,420
about that do you believe that there has

1155
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:41,579
been contact uh you know with with

1156
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:43,500
governments and agencies and other state

1157
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:45,540
actors around the world and they do

1158
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:47,640
certainly know that this is

1159
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:50,220
extraterrestrial in origin and and

1160
00:57:54,289 --> 00:57:52,380
nothing earth-based well they may know

1161
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,299
that I mean I I don't know if there's

1162
00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:56,640
been contact I mean I'm not privy to

1163
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,359
that sure and I also think that

1164
00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:02,160
um

1165
00:58:06,049 --> 00:58:04,500
we when when we've written this about

1166
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:06,059
the subject in the New York Times we've

1167
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:08,460
been very careful to stick to on the

1168
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:11,760
record sources stuff that we can confirm

1169
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:14,220
um I mean there's a lot of strange stuff

1170
00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:15,960
floating around there the you know the

1171
00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:19,500
Israeli defense expert uh who recently

1172
00:58:25,789 --> 00:58:21,780
said that the Americans are working with

1173
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:25,799
uh aliens on the moon uh you know

1174
00:58:33,049 --> 00:58:28,200
um I mean that's an interesting uh to

1175
00:58:37,309 --> 00:58:33,059
say the least uh you know uh allegation

1176
00:58:39,770 --> 00:58:37,319
um uh or or you know speculation or

1177
00:58:41,690 --> 00:58:39,780
whatever I mean he said it as fact uh

1178
00:58:43,309 --> 00:58:41,700
but we we need to see some evidence of

1179
00:58:45,049 --> 00:58:43,319
that and I you know I certainly couldn't

1180
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:45,059
get a story like that I wouldn't want to

1181
00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:46,380
get a story like that in the New York

1182
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,460
Times without evidence so I I just don't

1183
00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:52,079
know I mean

1184
00:58:56,990 --> 00:58:54,359
um to what extent the government has

1185
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:57,000
confirmed certain things I think they

1186
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:58,559
know a lot more than they're telling I

1187
00:59:02,089 --> 00:59:00,359
think that's clear

1188
00:59:05,329 --> 00:59:02,099
um because

1189
00:59:07,309 --> 00:59:05,339
um for example NASA recently uh admitted

1190
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:07,319
or said that it was getting into this

1191
00:59:13,370 --> 00:59:10,799
field now that's long overdue NASA

1192
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:13,380
uh knows what's going on at the fringes

1193
00:59:16,970 --> 00:59:15,180
of space I mean between the

1194
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:16,980
International Space Station and the

1195
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:19,920
satellites they have the ability to

1196
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:22,559
gather data for example of objects

1197
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,400
coming into our solar system okay uh so

1198
00:59:31,849 --> 00:59:28,799
that's long overdue

1199
00:59:34,609 --> 00:59:31,859
um but yeah I just don't know how much

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00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,619
you know the the government really knows

1201
00:59:38,510 --> 00:59:36,960
and is keeping back but I I would be

1202
00:59:41,289 --> 00:59:38,520
very careful

1203
00:59:43,849 --> 00:59:41,299
to put these stories out as fact until

1204
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,859
uh you know we know more and one thing

1205
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:45,440
we've insisted on in the New York Times

1206
00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:48,960
is to quote people by name and we don't

1207
00:59:54,410 --> 00:59:52,140
use unnamed sources uh to say that you

1208
00:59:56,809 --> 00:59:54,420
know a top security official has said

1209
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,819
this this and this and not with these

1210
01:00:02,270 --> 00:59:59,040
kind of stories I mean the the paper

1211
01:00:03,950 --> 01:00:02,280
does that with you know with certain uh

1212
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:03,960
defense stories and you know military

1213
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:06,180
story I understand that we use unnamed

1214
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:08,280
sources for sensitive things but I'm not

1215
01:00:12,289 --> 01:00:10,020
going to do it with UFO stuff because

1216
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:12,299
the public won't believe it right that's

1217
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:13,440
right

1218
01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:15,180
um we're going to take a break in 30

1219
01:00:22,490 --> 01:00:18,119
seconds what is you can almost yes or no

1220
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:22,500
this would it surprise you if uh the Air

1221
01:00:26,809 --> 01:00:23,760
Force had

1222
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:26,819
a flying saucer not of this planet in

1223
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:29,640
Hangar 18 at Wright-Patterson in Ohio

1224
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:32,880
well it would surprise me

1225
01:00:37,250 --> 01:00:35,640
um on one hand maybe not so surprising

1226
01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:37,260
given you know the stories that are

1227
01:00:41,569 --> 01:00:39,420
circulated but you know the Air Force

1228
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:41,579
has been actually lagging behind the

1229
01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:43,680
Navy and and being forthcoming about

1230
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:45,540
this it's kind of interesting you'd

1231
01:00:50,030 --> 01:00:46,799
think the Air Force would be taking the

1232
01:00:52,849 --> 01:00:50,040
lead but the Navy has taken the lead for

1233
01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:52,859
apparently very complicated reasons

1234
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:55,859
um so maybe if anybody has one of these

1235
01:01:01,069 --> 01:00:57,420
things it would be the Navy

1236
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,079
yeah you know uh the Air Force main

1237
01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:03,119
talking you know they're just not

1238
01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:04,859
talking they're not talking they're I I

1239
01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:07,260
know what the uh we have been talking

1240
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:09,480
since Project Blue Book we're gonna let

1241
01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:12,180
the Navy run with this one and I think

1242
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:14,520
that's right now that's their method of

1243
01:01:18,530 --> 01:01:16,020
operation let's take our break right

1244
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:18,540
here I guess tonight the one and only

1245
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:21,180
Ralph Blumenthal I am your host Jimmy

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01:01:28,170 --> 01:01:22,559
church we'll be right back after the

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01:01:53,140 --> 01:01:50,599
way out here we listened to Jimmy Church

1251
01:01:54,610 --> 01:01:53,150
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01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:45,780
Networks you're listening to Jimmy

1333
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:48,960
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1334
01:05:54,289 --> 01:05:52,559
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1335
01:05:56,089 --> 01:05:54,299
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01:06:29,310 --> 01:05:58,160
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[Applause]

1339
01:06:40,130 --> 01:06:38,150
thank you

1340
01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:40,140
Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm your host

1341
01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:42,660
Jimmy church tonight Ralph Blumenthal is

1342
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:44,460
with us

1343
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:47,640
and uh normally I would say the New York

1344
01:06:51,890 --> 01:06:48,900
Times

1345
01:06:55,549 --> 01:06:51,900
Ralph Blumenthal but now I've I've I've

1346
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:55,559
kind I I I I I I gotta say Professor

1347
01:07:03,410 --> 01:06:59,640
right so but here's here's the thing

1348
01:07:06,650 --> 01:07:03,420
um when I was in school uh for

1349
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:06,660
journalism uh broadcast uh television

1350
01:07:13,849 --> 01:07:11,039
radio you do all of those things uh and

1351
01:07:15,950 --> 01:07:13,859
I remember one of our teachers

1352
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,960
instructors at young Professor or

1353
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:17,280
whatever you want to call it uh work for

1354
01:07:23,089 --> 01:07:18,240
CNN

1355
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,099
and I I asked him uh one day as many

1356
01:07:29,089 --> 01:07:25,440
years ago but I said this is where my

1357
01:07:32,089 --> 01:07:29,099
interest was I said so uh

1358
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:32,099
what if you had a story about a UFO

1359
01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:34,260
and he shoots me this look this is in

1360
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:36,599
front of the class and I said would you

1361
01:07:39,289 --> 01:07:38,160
take that to your news director and he

1362
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,299
goes no

1363
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,760
and I said well no I'm talking about you

1364
01:07:44,690 --> 01:07:42,960
know you got a photography you got a

1365
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,700
video you get this thing you got you've

1366
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:46,559
got the case

1367
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:49,380
because now man that's career suicide I

1368
01:07:55,549 --> 01:07:51,839
would never take a UFO story to my news

1369
01:07:57,770 --> 01:07:55,559
director ever and that's that's it and

1370
01:08:00,770 --> 01:07:57,780
that that even though that you know

1371
01:08:03,049 --> 01:08:00,780
that's many years ago has that changed

1372
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:03,059
and and what would you say to one of

1373
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,460
your students that said okay but what

1374
01:08:10,010 --> 01:08:08,400
about UFOs right what would your how

1375
01:08:11,630 --> 01:08:10,020
would you react to that and is it

1376
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:11,640
treated differently now in the media

1377
01:08:17,870 --> 01:08:15,599
yeah it is it has changed and uh and

1378
01:08:20,510 --> 01:08:17,880
that's certainly a good thing uh the

1379
01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:20,520
ridicule Factor has has decreased it's

1380
01:08:25,010 --> 01:08:22,980
still there but uh you know the

1381
01:08:26,269 --> 01:08:25,020
mainstream media is reporting these

1382
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:26,279
stories

1383
01:08:30,769 --> 01:08:29,279
um and uh now certainly with the with

1384
01:08:35,149 --> 01:08:30,779
the government I mean I cannot over

1385
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:35,159
emphasize uh How Far We've Come uh since

1386
01:08:39,229 --> 01:08:37,799
I mean certainly the UAP report of last

1387
01:08:41,209 --> 01:08:39,239
year

1388
01:08:42,769 --> 01:08:41,219
um there was only nine pages long a lot

1389
01:08:44,689 --> 01:08:42,779
of people criticized it because they

1390
01:08:47,570 --> 01:08:44,699
wanted to see you know to have to see

1391
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,580
more there it was very minimal mole it

1392
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:49,679
was very conservative but it said that

1393
01:08:56,749 --> 01:08:53,640
these objects are almost 100 percent

1394
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,759
certainly without question real physical

1395
01:09:01,130 --> 01:08:58,799
objects they're not hallucinations

1396
01:09:04,189 --> 01:09:01,140
they're not the planet Venus they're not

1397
01:09:06,769 --> 01:09:04,199
swamp gas they're real things that we

1398
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:06,779
don't know anything about

1399
01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:10,020
um and of all the I mean they had a very

1400
01:09:14,329 --> 01:09:11,880
limited number of cases that they

1401
01:09:16,130 --> 01:09:14,339
studied for this report and all but one

1402
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:16,140
of them remained unexplained they had

1403
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:18,000
one weather balloon okay that was you

1404
01:09:23,390 --> 01:09:19,859
know we know that a lot of things that

1405
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,400
are listed as UFOs are explainable most

1406
01:09:28,189 --> 01:09:25,920
of them or many of them are explainable

1407
01:09:31,130 --> 01:09:28,199
they are reflections they are aircraft

1408
01:09:34,249 --> 01:09:31,140
they are drones but a lot of them are

1409
01:09:37,610 --> 01:09:34,259
not especially the huge

1410
01:09:39,950 --> 01:09:37,620
um you know inventory of stories by very

1411
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:39,960
good eyewitnesses including Pilots World

1412
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,420
War II pilots and modern day Pilots

1413
01:09:47,809 --> 01:09:45,120
people like Dave fraver who we quoted in

1414
01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:47,819
the New York Times you know these are

1415
01:09:53,209 --> 01:09:51,239
our most highly trained observers

1416
01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:53,219
um and they're they're eyeballing these

1417
01:09:57,890 --> 01:09:55,020
things and they're being captured on

1418
01:10:01,010 --> 01:09:57,900
Navy instruments

1419
01:10:03,649 --> 01:10:01,020
um so they're not anything except

1420
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,659
something real now more than that we

1421
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:05,280
don't know but

1422
01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:05,940
um

1423
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,040
so to answer your question yeah we've

1424
01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:11,040
come a long way and uh I think people

1425
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,320
coming forward now with a story wouldn't

1426
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:15,360
be Shrugged off by you know news

1427
01:10:19,790 --> 01:10:17,880
directors uh and it's not hazardous

1428
01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:19,800
anymore Pilots are being encouraged to

1429
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,260
report these used to be you know if a

1430
01:10:28,850 --> 01:10:24,960
pilot commercial pilot uh for you know

1431
01:10:31,490 --> 01:10:28,860
uh United or you know American or so I

1432
01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:31,500
saw a UFO and many Pilots have seen them

1433
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:34,020
uh up there while they're flying

1434
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,820
um they used to be discouraged from

1435
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,920
reporting that you know the airlines

1436
01:10:41,149 --> 01:10:39,840
themselves that don't report this it

1437
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:41,159
will be forced to send you to a

1438
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:44,159
psychiatrist and now you know it's

1439
01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:45,840
different and especially with the Navy

1440
01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:48,360
taking the lead we want you to report

1441
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:52,860
these things they said to Navy Pilots so

1442
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,900
um we have changed a lot Jimmy and I

1443
01:10:59,169 --> 01:10:56,400
think it's great

1444
01:11:02,990 --> 01:10:59,179
you would be given a desk job

1445
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:03,000
immediately right that's that's uh it

1446
01:11:08,689 --> 01:11:04,620
happened to the pilot of uh Japan

1447
01:11:11,630 --> 01:11:08,699
Airlines and and he went public and an

1448
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:11,640
extraordinary sighting uh with radar and

1449
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:15,000
the FAA got involved as you know

1450
01:11:21,950 --> 01:11:17,820
um and that's it he was he was in a

1451
01:11:25,910 --> 01:11:21,960
cubicle from from that day forward which

1452
01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:25,920
brings me to the ability uh for you to

1453
01:11:32,510 --> 01:11:29,400
to write a book about John Mack which uh

1454
01:11:35,810 --> 01:11:32,520
the the exciting news is this is now

1455
01:11:38,270 --> 01:11:35,820
available in paperback that's got to

1456
01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:38,280
make you feel pretty good yeah I I do

1457
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,260
and uh it's not only is it in paperback

1458
01:11:44,990 --> 01:11:42,480
but it's inaudible so it's uh you know

1459
01:11:46,610 --> 01:11:45,000
you can listen to the book uh it's on

1460
01:11:49,070 --> 01:11:46,620
Kindle

1461
01:11:51,229 --> 01:11:49,080
um so you can get it instantly so it's

1462
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,239
widely available and I think this is a

1463
01:11:55,550 --> 01:11:53,520
story that um I mean it gripped me

1464
01:11:57,890 --> 01:11:55,560
obviously I spent Seven Seventeen years

1465
01:11:59,870 --> 01:11:57,900
chasing on never worked so hard on a

1466
01:12:02,169 --> 01:11:59,880
book in my whole career I wrote you know

1467
01:12:05,090 --> 01:12:02,179
a number of books but nothing like this

1468
01:12:07,130 --> 01:12:05,100
because I had access to amazing material

1469
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,140
from from the family I had access to all

1470
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:10,080
of John Mack's archives I mean we should

1471
01:12:13,610 --> 01:12:11,400
probably say that he was a Harvard

1472
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,620
psychiatrist who was very well regarded

1473
01:12:19,070 --> 01:12:16,080
in his field as a psychiatrist and he

1474
01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:19,080
won a Pulitzer Prize with a biography of

1475
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:20,840
Lawrence of Arabia

1476
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,520
he wrote a book on nightmares he wrote a

1477
01:12:26,990 --> 01:12:25,440
book on child childhood development I

1478
01:12:29,290 --> 01:12:27,000
mean he was very well regarded in his

1479
01:12:33,169 --> 01:12:29,300
field a very solid guy

1480
01:12:34,610 --> 01:12:33,179
brilliant who through a whole series of

1481
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,620
steps I outlined in the book got

1482
01:12:39,050 --> 01:12:36,960
interested in in the stories of people

1483
01:12:42,410 --> 01:12:39,060
who were coming to him and saying that

1484
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,420
they had encountered alien beings and

1485
01:12:46,130 --> 01:12:44,640
being a curious kind of guy he won he

1486
01:12:48,050 --> 01:12:46,140
didn't believe it of course in the

1487
01:12:49,970 --> 01:12:48,060
beginning but he wanted to know what

1488
01:12:51,169 --> 01:12:49,980
what lay behind that and so the first

1489
01:12:52,189 --> 01:12:51,179
thing he wanted to see is all these

1490
01:12:55,310 --> 01:12:52,199
people crazy

1491
01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:55,320
and and he decided very quickly early on

1492
01:12:59,390 --> 01:12:56,760
after talking to them because they came

1493
01:13:02,510 --> 01:12:59,400
from all walks of life solid citizens

1494
01:13:05,570 --> 01:13:02,520
police officers and professionals men

1495
01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:05,580
women even children who don't you know

1496
01:13:09,890 --> 01:13:07,980
who don't read books and watch movies at

1497
01:13:12,530 --> 01:13:09,900
two years old

1498
01:13:14,169 --> 01:13:12,540
um uh that they were not crazy that they

1499
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:14,179
were reporting some kind of

1500
01:13:18,649 --> 01:13:16,260
extraordinary experience that he

1501
01:13:20,090 --> 01:13:18,659
couldn't explain but that he could not

1502
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:20,100
explain away

1503
01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:22,560
unlike the Skeptics by the way who you

1504
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:25,860
know don't do their homework and you

1505
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:27,840
know they they're very quick to say oh

1506
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,239
it's you know sleep paralysis it's uh

1507
01:13:34,610 --> 01:13:32,400
they're doing it for the money it's uh

1508
01:13:36,890 --> 01:13:34,620
it's a nightmare while it happens in the

1509
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:36,900
daytime and these people are not looking

1510
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,640
to sell their stories they're basically

1511
01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:41,040
running away from the stories they'd say

1512
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:44,100
to John Mack doc tell me I'm crazy

1513
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:46,020
please

1514
01:13:53,330 --> 01:13:49,800
well as we all know uh Harvard put him

1515
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:53,340
through the ringer and uh came down to

1516
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:55,380
which he ended up prevailing in the end

1517
01:14:00,110 --> 01:13:58,320
but it was a pretty dark chapter in his

1518
01:14:02,990 --> 01:14:00,120
life to have somebody with his

1519
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:03,000
credentials and his background and his

1520
01:14:07,630 --> 01:14:06,600
history to be treated like that uh by

1521
01:14:10,430 --> 01:14:07,640
Harvard

1522
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:10,440
today that probably wouldn't have

1523
01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:12,840
happened would it well maybe not today

1524
01:14:18,050 --> 01:14:15,239
uh because we have become a little more

1525
01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:18,060
sophisticated but uh you know and and

1526
01:14:23,930 --> 01:14:20,580
Harvard was no what was then no stranger

1527
01:14:28,010 --> 01:14:23,940
to strange research I mean William James

1528
01:14:29,450 --> 01:14:28,020
the father of uh you know psychology uh

1529
01:14:32,090 --> 01:14:29,460
taught at Harvard and he was

1530
01:14:34,850 --> 01:14:32,100
investigating seances and all kinds of

1531
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:34,860
paranormal things he's had no problem

1532
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:37,920
with that right right but

1533
01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:39,840
um but something about John Mack rubbed

1534
01:14:43,850 --> 01:14:40,920
them the wrong way he was very

1535
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:43,860
enthusiastic uh he didn't care what

1536
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:47,040
people thought he actually lectured at

1537
01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:50,640
Harvard about these experiences these

1538
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:53,100
encounters people were telling him with

1539
01:15:00,350 --> 01:14:56,760
alien beings and he he taught seminars

1540
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,360
about it he wrote about it and

1541
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:03,360
um so he was not

1542
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:06,000
um you know maybe he could have been a

1543
01:15:10,729 --> 01:15:08,880
little more scientific in his approach

1544
01:15:13,130 --> 01:15:10,739
that probably would have pleased Harvard

1545
01:15:15,950 --> 01:15:13,140
more but he was an enthusiastic kind of

1546
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:15,960
guy and it's an amazing subject I mean

1547
01:15:20,450 --> 01:15:18,000
you know we're talking about it so it's

1548
01:15:22,370 --> 01:15:20,460
obviously there's something gripping

1549
01:15:25,790 --> 01:15:22,380
about the subject it's not just a

1550
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:25,800
scholarly subject it's it excites

1551
01:15:31,070 --> 01:15:27,920
um you know comment from everybody

1552
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:31,080
and so he threw himself into it and that

1553
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,120
rubbed rubbed them the wrong way so they

1554
01:15:37,790 --> 01:15:35,520
convened a secret committee I call it an

1555
01:15:40,010 --> 01:15:37,800
inquisition because it's a word that

1556
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:40,020
they use themselves to say what it

1557
01:15:45,290 --> 01:15:42,420
wasn't and you can't tell a psychiatrist

1558
01:15:48,110 --> 01:15:45,300
okay this is not an inquisition you know

1559
01:15:50,750 --> 01:15:48,120
this is not a black dog

1560
01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:50,760
um so he immediately said well why did

1561
01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:52,440
they use the word if that's not what

1562
01:15:55,790 --> 01:15:54,060
it's not

1563
01:15:58,250 --> 01:15:55,800
um and it was a kind of an inquisition

1564
01:16:00,770 --> 01:15:58,260
they inquired into his private beliefs

1565
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,780
into his billing methods

1566
01:16:06,490 --> 01:16:03,120
um did he believe in UFOs which was

1567
01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:06,500
irrelevant you know things like that

1568
01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:10,500
so um it was very intrusive yeah and the

1569
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:14,040
crazy part about it you know it's almost

1570
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:18,480
the definition of irony right where here

1571
01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:23,040
we are in 2022 with Avi Loeb of Harvard

1572
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:26,219
and the Galileo project right it's just

1573
01:16:32,990 --> 01:16:30,480
amazing amazing and um I'm glad you

1574
01:16:37,370 --> 01:16:33,000
brought up avilo because I think he is

1575
01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:37,380
uh in in the Mac mode really of bucking

1576
01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:39,540
The Establishment

1577
01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:43,320
um not being afraid now he he doesn't go

1578
01:16:47,930 --> 01:16:45,300
as far as Mac in terms of you know

1579
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:47,940
investigating alien stories that's not

1580
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:50,159
Abby loeb's thing

1581
01:16:56,209 --> 01:16:53,280
um but he certainly raised some of the

1582
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:56,219
same questions about intelligence in the

1583
01:17:02,270 --> 01:16:59,040
universe and in particular this object

1584
01:17:05,390 --> 01:17:02,280
that came into our solar system uh and

1585
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:05,400
then in 2017 I believe and then and

1586
01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:07,920
disappeared flew in and out before

1587
01:17:14,689 --> 01:17:11,340
anybody knew uh what it was and then

1588
01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:14,699
only afterwards through instrumentation

1589
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:17,940
were they able to or at least every Loeb

1590
01:17:25,330 --> 01:17:20,640
and his people said this is not a

1591
01:17:31,209 --> 01:17:27,709
so there's something going on with this

1592
01:17:34,610 --> 01:17:31,219
thing now again it remains controversial

1593
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,620
it was a you know some people thought it

1594
01:17:38,330 --> 01:17:36,719
was a meteorite but it didn't act like a

1595
01:17:41,630 --> 01:17:38,340
meteorite

1596
01:17:43,729 --> 01:17:41,640
um so he he thinks and thought and he

1597
01:17:46,669 --> 01:17:43,739
put it in his book extraterrestrial that

1598
01:17:49,130 --> 01:17:46,679
uh it was some kind of craft with a

1599
01:17:52,610 --> 01:17:49,140
light sail that picked up solar power

1600
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:52,620
and was able to accelerate

1601
01:17:57,470 --> 01:17:55,440
um you know who was behind it or why or

1602
01:17:59,930 --> 01:17:57,480
was it a buoy

1603
01:18:02,510 --> 01:17:59,940
um you know sent into the universe by

1604
01:18:04,970 --> 01:18:02,520
another civilization I mean you know it

1605
01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:04,980
was speculation is endless but at least

1606
01:18:08,750 --> 01:18:06,900
he's exploring these and he is highly

1607
01:18:12,649 --> 01:18:08,760
credentialed

1608
01:18:14,450 --> 01:18:12,659
um and very courageous and uh and

1609
01:18:16,610 --> 01:18:14,460
fascinating I listened to him whenever I

1610
01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:16,620
can and it was podcast I read his book

1611
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:20,940
I've talked to him and I think as you

1612
01:18:26,030 --> 01:18:23,280
say he's in the mold of John Mack

1613
01:18:27,709 --> 01:18:26,040
now there I I didn't want to mention

1614
01:18:31,490 --> 01:18:27,719
really quick did you see the new movie

1615
01:18:32,990 --> 01:18:31,500
documentary uh Ariel uh with John Mack I

1616
01:18:35,450 --> 01:18:33,000
did I did

1617
01:18:37,790 --> 01:18:35,460
um Randy Nickerson made it one of Mac's

1618
01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:37,800
experiencers

1619
01:18:42,350 --> 01:18:40,199
um who had you know amazing story of his

1620
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,360
own and he's been working on this film

1621
01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:43,920
for years I mean we should tell you

1622
01:18:49,450 --> 01:18:46,140
listen they may probably know that this

1623
01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:49,460
is the story of a school in

1624
01:18:56,110 --> 01:18:51,980
Zimbabwe

1625
01:18:59,330 --> 01:18:56,120
outside the capital Harare where in

1626
01:19:02,570 --> 01:18:59,340
1994 of five I forget

1627
01:19:05,090 --> 01:19:02,580
um 60 school children a mixed race were

1628
01:19:07,090 --> 01:19:05,100
in the all kinds of kids different kids

1629
01:19:10,130 --> 01:19:07,100
the different backgrounds were at recess

1630
01:19:12,830 --> 01:19:10,140
and they saw a landing or so they said

1631
01:19:14,570 --> 01:19:12,840
later and they saw two beings come out

1632
01:19:17,689 --> 01:19:14,580
and they interacted with these beings

1633
01:19:19,810 --> 01:19:17,699
through to telepathy and then later they

1634
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:19,820
drew pictures of what they had seen

1635
01:19:25,610 --> 01:19:22,800
and uh and no adults witnessed this

1636
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:25,620
because they were all inside when the

1637
01:19:29,450 --> 01:19:26,880
kids were at recess which is

1638
01:19:32,209 --> 01:19:29,460
extraordinary by itself

1639
01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:32,219
um and John Mack rushed over there in

1640
01:19:37,130 --> 01:19:35,340
the middle of the Harvard Inquisition

1641
01:19:39,890 --> 01:19:37,140
um to talk to these kids and by the way

1642
01:19:41,149 --> 01:19:39,900
he was very good with kids uh he as I

1643
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:41,159
said he wrote about childhood

1644
01:19:47,570 --> 01:19:44,880
development he had three boys of his own

1645
01:19:50,810 --> 01:19:47,580
um so he knew he was very good at

1646
01:19:54,169 --> 01:19:50,820
talking to kids and he was not

1647
01:19:56,750 --> 01:19:54,179
um you know he didn't put his thumb on

1648
01:20:00,169 --> 01:19:56,760
the scale uh you know he let them tell

1649
01:20:02,330 --> 01:20:00,179
the story and uh and it's on you can see

1650
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:02,340
for yourself I mean it's in the it's in

1651
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:05,760
the film of aerial phenomenon

1652
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,159
um it's on you can find it online clips

1653
01:20:12,350 --> 01:20:10,560
of John Mack talking to these kids and

1654
01:20:14,450 --> 01:20:12,360
they told him the story what they'd seen

1655
01:20:16,729 --> 01:20:14,460
and again it was very persuasive to him

1656
01:20:19,070 --> 01:20:16,739
because he said these kids

1657
01:20:22,189 --> 01:20:19,080
we're not talking about books they had

1658
01:20:24,530 --> 01:20:22,199
read you know or movies they had seen uh

1659
01:20:26,450 --> 01:20:24,540
you know these are kids they were 10 11

1660
01:20:29,629 --> 01:20:26,460
years old and and they were very

1661
01:20:31,310 --> 01:20:29,639
credible in in their accounts and they

1662
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:31,320
were consistent which is another thing

1663
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,540
that struck John Mack

1664
01:20:38,330 --> 01:20:35,520
um they were consistent and yet with

1665
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:38,340
some little different details

1666
01:20:41,330 --> 01:20:39,600
um so it was not like they were all

1667
01:20:42,830 --> 01:20:41,340
telling the same story they'd agreed

1668
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:42,840
upon

1669
01:20:48,290 --> 01:20:45,360
um anyway yeah so that's that's the

1670
01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:48,300
aerial phenomenon well the reason why I

1671
01:20:55,070 --> 01:20:52,020
bring this up because your book

1672
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:55,080
um which is about John Mack it's it's

1673
01:21:00,169 --> 01:20:58,320
it's it's it's great

1674
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,179
but you don't have the theatrics you

1675
01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:02,159
don't have the visuals right to go along

1676
01:21:09,470 --> 01:21:06,840
with that and in Ariel there was a

1677
01:21:13,490 --> 01:21:09,480
moment where we get to see in my opinion

1678
01:21:15,649 --> 01:21:13,500
uh uh a side of John Mack that you don't

1679
01:21:17,390 --> 01:21:15,659
really see from a professor or somebody

1680
01:21:19,790 --> 01:21:17,400
from Harvard and it was when he was

1681
01:21:23,209 --> 01:21:19,800
speaking to the town you remember the

1682
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:23,219
town hall meeting and he was concerned

1683
01:21:28,370 --> 01:21:25,199
with everybody's emotional well-being

1684
01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:28,380
right he was very you know we need to

1685
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:30,300
talk about this there's something going

1686
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:34,320
on and his compassion

1687
01:21:40,850 --> 01:21:37,920
um for uh not only humans and others but

1688
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:40,860
his understanding of the psychological

1689
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:42,960
side of this and how people are dealing

1690
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,040
or are being forced to deal with the

1691
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:49,040
possibility of visitors from outer space

1692
01:21:54,530 --> 01:21:52,380
interacting with their children in the

1693
01:21:57,530 --> 01:21:54,540
town this is about as sensitive as it

1694
01:21:59,689 --> 01:21:57,540
gets and he was like he was like Joe

1695
01:22:02,629 --> 01:21:59,699
Namath in the Super Bowl I mean he was

1696
01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:02,639
he was amazing wasn't he yeah he really

1697
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:04,860
knew how to talk to people I mean that

1698
01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:06,239
and that comes through again you don't

1699
01:22:11,330 --> 01:22:08,340
have to take my word for to my book you

1700
01:22:14,930 --> 01:22:11,340
can find these clips online he did a lot

1701
01:22:18,530 --> 01:22:14,940
of uh of TV by the way and a lot of

1702
01:22:21,470 --> 01:22:18,540
radio he was on Oprah and it actually

1703
01:22:24,590 --> 01:22:21,480
hurt him in some ways because this is

1704
01:22:27,050 --> 01:22:24,600
not a subject that lends itself to

1705
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,060
um you know being on Oprah a lot of

1706
01:22:32,110 --> 01:22:29,520
people made fun of the experiences he

1707
01:22:36,169 --> 01:22:32,120
brought with him who told their story

1708
01:22:38,450 --> 01:22:36,179
it really requires a more sober

1709
01:22:41,330 --> 01:22:38,460
examination and there was a lot of

1710
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,340
sensationalism involved and smirking and

1711
01:22:47,390 --> 01:22:43,440
especially you know there's a sexual

1712
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,400
aspect to this where men and women have

1713
01:22:52,729 --> 01:22:50,159
said that on you know they're abducted

1714
01:22:56,030 --> 01:22:52,739
okay they're taken by these beings onto

1715
01:22:58,430 --> 01:22:56,040
some kind of a craft and women have

1716
01:23:00,169 --> 01:22:58,440
their eggs removed for hybrid breeding

1717
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:00,179
or reproduction or something and men

1718
01:23:07,310 --> 01:23:04,080
have their sperm taken involuntarily

1719
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:07,320
um so there's very very strange things I

1720
01:23:10,610 --> 01:23:09,840
don't have to tell you so

1721
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:10,620
um

1722
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:13,199
uh and and that's a difficult story to

1723
01:23:22,129 --> 01:23:18,360
tell on on a TV you know uh talk show

1724
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,139
um it really requires a kind of uh you

1725
01:23:27,530 --> 01:23:24,480
know a sober analysis you have to sit

1726
01:23:29,450 --> 01:23:27,540
down and and question the people

1727
01:23:32,450 --> 01:23:29,460
um and and Mac does this by the way in

1728
01:23:35,930 --> 01:23:32,460
the first book he wrote abduction he

1729
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:35,940
tell he has um uh I believe 13 case

1730
01:23:41,149 --> 01:23:38,400
studies where he spends a whole long

1731
01:23:43,790 --> 01:23:41,159
chapter on each of these people it goes

1732
01:23:46,610 --> 01:23:43,800
into their background before their

1733
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:46,620
abduction experiences what happened at

1734
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,199
the abduction as that as they recounted

1735
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:51,360
it and what was the effect afterwards

1736
01:23:57,530 --> 01:23:54,080
and he looks at it from every possible

1737
01:24:00,290 --> 01:23:57,540
as you know Vantage Point as a

1738
01:24:02,570 --> 01:24:00,300
psychiatrist it's a very impressive book

1739
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,580
abduction and it's not what you know

1740
01:24:08,270 --> 01:24:04,800
people may think of oh this you know

1741
01:24:10,129 --> 01:24:08,280
psychiatrist of Harvard is is is being a

1742
01:24:14,570 --> 01:24:10,139
sensational exploiting these stories of

1743
01:24:17,149 --> 01:24:14,580
aliens he really did a terrific job of

1744
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,159
analyzing what what was going on and

1745
01:24:21,950 --> 01:24:19,440
what made these stories so compelling

1746
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,960
and mysterious and it's in the end Jimmy

1747
01:24:26,209 --> 01:24:24,239
as you know it is mysterious there is no

1748
01:24:29,390 --> 01:24:26,219
answer no one can come on your show and

1749
01:24:31,490 --> 01:24:29,400
say I know only the so-called Skeptics

1750
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:31,500
they have the answers they know exactly

1751
01:24:36,590 --> 01:24:34,260
what it is but no one else knows what it

1752
01:24:39,530 --> 01:24:36,600
is including the people who who studied

1753
01:24:41,570 --> 01:24:39,540
it the hardest like John Mack nobody

1754
01:24:45,970 --> 01:24:41,580
knows what is going on it's just

1755
01:24:48,050 --> 01:24:45,980
completely strange but it none of the

1756
01:24:52,370 --> 01:24:48,060
explanations that have been put forward

1757
01:24:53,930 --> 01:24:52,380
are satisfying so so there we are

1758
01:24:56,810 --> 01:24:53,940
they're

1759
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:56,820
um there's another part to this uh for

1760
01:25:02,750 --> 01:25:00,000
me Ralph and and I know that I've talked

1761
01:25:06,770 --> 01:25:02,760
to you about this before but maybe you

1762
01:25:11,330 --> 01:25:06,780
thought about it uh uh some more which

1763
01:25:13,250 --> 01:25:11,340
is there was something that clicked

1764
01:25:15,830 --> 01:25:13,260
there there was a light bulb that went

1765
01:25:18,590 --> 01:25:15,840
off uh just like anybody had a great

1766
01:25:20,169 --> 01:25:18,600
moment of Revelation right and something

1767
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:20,179
happened with John

1768
01:25:24,649 --> 01:25:23,760
and where he went from one side of the

1769
01:25:27,890 --> 01:25:24,659
fence

1770
01:25:30,169 --> 01:25:27,900
to the other and he was able to connect

1771
01:25:31,490 --> 01:25:30,179
the dots through these cases there was

1772
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,500
something there

1773
01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:33,360
do you know what that moment was do you

1774
01:25:40,250 --> 01:25:36,300
know what that Catalyst was that that

1775
01:25:42,050 --> 01:25:40,260
caused him to uh continue the Deep dive

1776
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:42,060
yeah well it was really a series of

1777
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:43,199
things

1778
01:25:48,290 --> 01:25:45,420
um and I laid this out in the book first

1779
01:25:50,270 --> 01:25:48,300
of all he had a trauma growing up he

1780
01:25:53,209 --> 01:25:50,280
lost his mother at age eight and a half

1781
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:53,219
months his mother died of appendicitis

1782
01:25:59,870 --> 01:25:57,120
his birth mother and uh he you know he

1783
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:59,880
was traumatized by that he never you

1784
01:26:04,010 --> 01:26:01,199
know a child didn't know why his mother

1785
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,020
suddenly was gone from his life so he

1786
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:06,480
really spent his whole life searching

1787
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:09,120
for this missing mother in his life and

1788
01:26:16,010 --> 01:26:13,440
and then he started discovering he grew

1789
01:26:18,770 --> 01:26:16,020
up actually as I say in the book in a

1790
01:26:21,229 --> 01:26:18,780
very secular German Jewish household his

1791
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:21,239
father was a professor his stepmother

1792
01:26:25,850 --> 01:26:23,760
who came into the picture later was a

1793
01:26:27,890 --> 01:26:25,860
professor and they were not spiritual

1794
01:26:30,050 --> 01:26:27,900
people particularly

1795
01:26:33,229 --> 01:26:30,060
um but then he started he started

1796
01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:33,239
experimenting with drugs with LSD and he

1797
01:26:37,729 --> 01:26:35,580
opened up this portal in his in his

1798
01:26:39,649 --> 01:26:37,739
psyche that made him think that well

1799
01:26:42,590 --> 01:26:39,659
there's something more than just the

1800
01:26:45,530 --> 01:26:42,600
physical reality reality we you know the

1801
01:26:47,450 --> 01:26:45,540
four corners of our reality that we

1802
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:47,460
understand is something else going on

1803
01:26:52,270 --> 01:26:50,400
and then he went out to esselen

1804
01:26:55,790 --> 01:26:52,280
you know that think tank on the Pacific

1805
01:26:58,610 --> 01:26:55,800
and he uh practiced holotropic breathing

1806
01:27:02,510 --> 01:26:58,620
which was a breathing discipline that

1807
01:27:04,490 --> 01:27:02,520
induced a um uh elevated States Of

1808
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:04,500
Consciousness

1809
01:27:15,229 --> 01:27:10,560
hypnosis but through regulated breathing

1810
01:27:16,729 --> 01:27:15,239
and he he he excavated another part of

1811
01:27:19,729 --> 01:27:16,739
his character that he didn't understand

1812
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,739
it maybe a previous life or or something

1813
01:27:24,490 --> 01:27:21,840
he was born back to his childhood when

1814
01:27:27,169 --> 01:27:24,500
he lost his mother so he realized that

1815
01:27:30,350 --> 01:27:27,179
all these things that we take for

1816
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:30,360
granted the reality that we uh you know

1817
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,840
everybody understands uh we see taste

1818
01:27:38,810 --> 01:27:35,520
and touch there's something else going

1819
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:38,820
on and then he meets Bud Hopkins

1820
01:27:44,030 --> 01:27:41,760
so and Bud Hopkins was an artist not a

1821
01:27:46,490 --> 01:27:44,040
professional like but hop like uh John

1822
01:27:49,729 --> 01:27:46,500
Mack but he was an artist who got

1823
01:27:51,790 --> 01:27:49,739
interested in UFOs and aliens and was

1824
01:27:55,010 --> 01:27:51,800
interviewing people hypnotizing people

1825
01:27:57,530 --> 01:27:55,020
and and uh but Hopkins turned John Mack

1826
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:57,540
onto the subject but initially John Mack

1827
01:28:01,250 --> 01:27:59,040
didn't want to meet Bud Hopkins and

1828
01:28:04,669 --> 01:28:01,260
thought he you know this is all nuts

1829
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:04,679
but then he he then John Mack meets his

1830
01:28:08,510 --> 01:28:06,960
own people and he realizes these are

1831
01:28:09,950 --> 01:28:08,520
normal people they've had these

1832
01:28:13,010 --> 01:28:09,960
extraordinary experiences that no one

1833
01:28:15,770 --> 01:28:13,020
can explain so you asked was there one

1834
01:28:18,110 --> 01:28:15,780
particular moment probably the most the

1835
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:18,120
closest to that is when he meets uh Bud

1836
01:28:24,290 --> 01:28:20,159
Hopkins

1837
01:28:26,330 --> 01:28:24,300
letters that he got from uh Rita's of

1838
01:28:28,250 --> 01:28:26,340
his books but was writing about this

1839
01:28:30,530 --> 01:28:28,260
before John Mack ever got on the scene

1840
01:28:32,030 --> 01:28:30,540
and John May said wow this is weird let

1841
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,040
me see if I can find out about this

1842
01:28:37,070 --> 01:28:34,560
because he was courageous and he was the

1843
01:28:39,290 --> 01:28:37,080
kind of guy who wanted to to learn more

1844
01:28:40,850 --> 01:28:39,300
and and somebody else might have turned

1845
01:28:41,810 --> 01:28:40,860
his back and said you know what this is

1846
01:28:43,729 --> 01:28:41,820
just going to get me in trouble at

1847
01:28:46,729 --> 01:28:43,739
Harvard I'm not going to do this why

1848
01:28:48,590 --> 01:28:46,739
would I do this I don't need this but he

1849
01:28:51,290 --> 01:28:48,600
said this is crazy I got to find out

1850
01:28:54,050 --> 01:28:51,300
about this and he talks to these people

1851
01:28:57,050 --> 01:28:54,060
they're Ordinary People except they've

1852
01:28:59,149 --> 01:28:57,060
suffered these weird experiences that no

1853
01:29:00,649 --> 01:28:59,159
one can explain and that's what got them

1854
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:00,659
started

1855
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:02,880
I want to thank you I know that uh

1856
01:29:09,410 --> 01:29:05,520
you've got to get up early and and teach

1857
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,420
and and I need you to be uh the best the

1858
01:29:13,490 --> 01:29:11,760
best Professor that you can you're more

1859
01:29:16,850 --> 01:29:13,500
than if you want to do another segment

1860
01:29:18,890 --> 01:29:16,860
you can if you want to uh you're on the

1861
01:29:20,270 --> 01:29:18,900
East Coast uh it's up to you but we need

1862
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:20,280
to take a break right here what would

1863
01:29:24,010 --> 01:29:21,840
you like to do I'll come back for a

1864
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:24,020
little while that's that's because

1865
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,840
you're Ralph bleep in romanthal Ralph

1866
01:29:32,689 --> 01:29:29,280
stay right there we're gonna take our

1867
01:29:35,090 --> 01:29:32,699
break we will be right back and again uh

1868
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:35,100
Ralph is teaching he's teaching classes

1869
01:29:41,629 --> 01:29:38,880
he's doing his thing out there uh but uh

1870
01:29:44,030 --> 01:29:41,639
who can say no to fade to black and this

1871
01:29:46,129 --> 01:29:44,040
fantastic wonderful audience I am your

1872
01:29:47,810 --> 01:29:46,139
host Jimmy church we'll be right back

1873
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:47,820
more with Ralph Blumenthal right after

1874
01:30:17,770 --> 01:29:50,850
this short break stay with us

1875
01:30:25,070 --> 01:30:20,390
this is Fade to Black with Jimmy Church

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01:30:29,470 --> 01:30:27,950
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to fade to black with Jimmy Church who

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holds the lucky pony record for the best

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astrological chart since 1963. true

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church and I know what you're asking

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yourself how is it possible that Jimmy

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can hang

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with Ralph Blumenthal I do it with brain

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that's the only way that this

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conversation is possible and you know

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here's the thing Professor

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um tomorrow you have my permission uh in

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class to go this is how you do not

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conduct an interview

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this is doing great Jimmy you're doing

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great as usual am I doing okay

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you know it's uh it's not intimidating

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it's an it's an honor and and I get to

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test my chops for sure right but um I

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would have never thought uh when I was a

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kid that I you know I would be in this

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kind of position uh today

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um and to have conversations like this

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with uh people as yourself and the

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guests that I've had on the show it's

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just an honor and a privilege and every

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show just gets a little better like

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every article that you write right

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everything is is just one step further

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down the road and that's the way that

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you've got to look at you're never a

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master right right you never are you

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learn you learn as you go you learn as

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you go and I'm doing it right now sir so

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anyway

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um how will history

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01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:31,619
uh look at John Mack is is Renegade

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gonna be one of those words

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Renegade I mean he went against the

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established uh you know when he started

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01:37:45,410 --> 01:37:42,540
when he got into this in the uh uh in

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the 1990s when he met Bud Hopkins so you

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01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:48,659
know it's now what 35 years 32 years

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01:37:51,050 --> 01:37:50,400
ago

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um

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01:37:55,129 --> 01:37:53,040
it was kind of different it was still a

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01:37:57,649 --> 01:37:55,139
subject of ridicule it got him into a

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01:37:59,390 --> 01:37:57,659
lot of trouble at Harvard

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um so

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um I think we've come a long way we've

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got a long way to go but

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um I don't think the same thing would

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happen today to a professor who who

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would study it seriously now he he was

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not a quack I mean he he

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had protocols for how he talked to these

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people he he did not uh influence them

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01:38:27,050 --> 01:38:23,040
he was not a big fan of hypnosis by the

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way uh he he retort himself hypnosis he

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studied it in medical school

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um but then didn't use it much and then

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he sort of had to learn it again

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basically just to relax people he was

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01:38:39,470 --> 01:38:37,619
not a big fan of using it because he

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01:38:43,310 --> 01:38:39,480
knew that

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01:38:46,669 --> 01:38:43,320
um it was still uh a lot of negatives

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with hypnosis you don't really know uh

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what you're getting depending on how

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01:38:54,169 --> 01:38:51,239
good the hypnotist is you don't want to

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influence your your subjects

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um and uh so he was he was careful he

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was really quite careful what he did and

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you can and I know that because I have

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seen

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uh in my research

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01:39:08,390 --> 01:39:06,179
um his taped some of his taped

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01:39:10,250 --> 01:39:08,400
interviews with with people he didn't

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know whether to call them subjects or

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patients because they were really

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neither they weren't patients because

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they weren't sick

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um and

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um uh they were a little more than

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subjects because he was uh involved with

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them they weren't just you know

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Anonymous research subjects so because

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he

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presented but

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um there is a line

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01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:55,500
that that's all there it's a visible

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01:40:02,330 --> 01:40:00,480
tangible physical line of when you cross

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01:40:04,189 --> 01:40:02,340
into okay now we're talking we're

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01:40:06,830 --> 01:40:04,199
actually talking about extraterrestrials

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01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:06,840
we're talking about something not of

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this Earth there's a line there and and

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01:40:18,830 --> 01:40:13,739
and when you cross it there is no coming

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01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:18,840
back and was was he ever reticent uh was

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01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:21,840
he trying to stay on this side of the

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01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:25,679
line or was he okay with you know what

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01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:29,040
uh let's let's just cross this we're

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01:40:33,649 --> 01:40:31,440
talking about something that is not of

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this earth right and we see it with

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01:40:37,070 --> 01:40:35,699
media today we see it with the Senate we

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01:40:39,770 --> 01:40:37,080
see with the House of Representatives

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01:40:43,609 --> 01:40:39,780
you know they'll go up to the edge

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01:40:46,370 --> 01:40:43,619
but very rarely cross that line was

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Jonathan was John okay with there's a

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big difference between John Mack and and

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and Congress and and and and the

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Pentagon uh they are not willing to

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01:40:59,330 --> 01:40:56,520
discuss this uh because it is really

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um outside the the purview of of what

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01:41:07,609 --> 01:41:02,460
has been uh of what is

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01:41:10,010 --> 01:41:07,619
um provable uh now Mac was willing to to

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01:41:12,890 --> 01:41:10,020
to transcend that

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01:41:14,750 --> 01:41:12,900
um uh and say that look I can't prove it

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01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:14,760
and he told us to the Harvard you know

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01:41:19,790 --> 01:41:17,520
Inquisition I can't prove this and they

2115
01:41:21,410 --> 01:41:19,800
jumped on on him for that but he said

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01:41:23,450 --> 01:41:21,420
this is what people are telling me and

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01:41:25,490 --> 01:41:23,460
I've eliminated all the other possible

2118
01:41:27,770 --> 01:41:25,500
explanations and you know what Sherlock

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01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:27,780
Holmes said when you eliminate all the

2120
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:30,480
you know impossible scenarios what's

2121
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:33,600
left is is is the answer

2122
01:41:37,609 --> 01:41:35,520
um and he he went by that he so he

2123
01:41:39,410 --> 01:41:37,619
eliminated all the other possibilities

2124
01:41:40,970 --> 01:41:39,420
they were not crazy they weren't making

2125
01:41:44,750 --> 01:41:40,980
it up

2126
01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:44,760
um uh you know the uh

2127
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:48,300
it was not uh sleep paralysis it was not

2128
01:41:52,370 --> 01:41:49,679
a nightmare because it was happening

2129
01:41:53,930 --> 01:41:52,380
during the day and waking hours one by

2130
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:53,940
one he eliminated all the possibilities

2131
01:41:57,290 --> 01:41:55,440
so he didn't know what what the answer

2132
01:41:58,669 --> 01:41:57,300
was but he knew what it wasn't

2133
01:42:01,070 --> 01:41:58,679
so

2134
01:42:03,169 --> 01:42:01,080
but the Pentagon is not going there

2135
01:42:05,810 --> 01:42:03,179
Congress is not going there and I

2136
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:05,820
understand that because uh it's it's

2137
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:08,880
it's one step at a time you know first

2138
01:42:14,930 --> 01:42:11,040
they want to understand what these

2139
01:42:17,930 --> 01:42:14,940
objects are and and hopefully uh

2140
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:17,940
um reproduce their amazing aerodynamics

2141
01:42:21,709 --> 01:42:19,440
I mean that's the big challenge so

2142
01:42:24,910 --> 01:42:21,719
whatever these things are they seem to

2143
01:42:28,430 --> 01:42:24,920
be able to to do things that we are not

2144
01:42:31,070 --> 01:42:28,440
remotely capable of we Americans the

2145
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:31,080
Russians the Chinese the Iran nobody on

2146
01:42:35,810 --> 01:42:33,360
Earth can do what these objects can do

2147
01:42:38,030 --> 01:42:35,820
so that's the first step to figure out

2148
01:42:41,209 --> 01:42:38,040
what's their source of power how can

2149
01:42:43,070 --> 01:42:41,219
they do this how do they stay up so long

2150
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,080
they're not you know drones can't do

2151
01:42:49,070 --> 01:42:45,840
that how do they operate underwater

2152
01:42:51,290 --> 01:42:49,080
um and then uh you know maybe try to

2153
01:42:52,729 --> 01:42:51,300
figure out well do they represent an

2154
01:42:54,830 --> 01:42:52,739
another intelligence and

2155
01:42:56,510 --> 01:42:54,840
extraterrestrial civilization but Mack

2156
01:42:58,010 --> 01:42:56,520
wasn't burdened with that he plunged the

2157
01:43:00,050 --> 01:42:58,020
head and he said this is what these

2158
01:43:02,930 --> 01:43:00,060
people told them most incredible stories

2159
01:43:04,850 --> 01:43:02,940
and by the way when you read these

2160
01:43:08,030 --> 01:43:04,860
accounts of people who've had these

2161
01:43:10,370 --> 01:43:08,040
experiences it is just mind-blowing I

2162
01:43:13,250 --> 01:43:10,380
mean you know that that these stories

2163
01:43:15,729 --> 01:43:13,260
are unfathomable and you couldn't even

2164
01:43:19,970 --> 01:43:15,739
make this stuff up because

2165
01:43:22,669 --> 01:43:19,980
there's no connection to any any reality

2166
01:43:25,070 --> 01:43:22,679
um and the stories are similar in many

2167
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:25,080
ways but different in in Myriad details

2168
01:43:29,870 --> 01:43:27,360
so anyway

2169
01:43:33,470 --> 01:43:29,880
um so that's what blew his mind and

2170
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:33,480
that's what I guess captured me as a as

2171
01:43:37,490 --> 01:43:35,520
a writer that there were these stories

2172
01:43:40,609 --> 01:43:37,500
out there that to this day nobody can

2173
01:43:44,810 --> 01:43:40,619
explain the book is a fantastic read and

2174
01:43:47,149 --> 01:43:44,820
I've read it now a few times and because

2175
01:43:49,310 --> 01:43:47,159
uh you know I've been interested in John

2176
01:43:52,970 --> 01:43:49,320
Mack for so long but when you turn

2177
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:52,980
around and and you read the way that you

2178
01:43:59,149 --> 01:43:55,920
have presented it here as an author

2179
01:44:01,129 --> 01:43:59,159
third person if you will it's a page

2180
01:44:03,050 --> 01:44:01,139
Turner and you have to put yourself in

2181
01:44:06,169 --> 01:44:03,060
the mindset of John Mack and just think

2182
01:44:09,169 --> 01:44:06,179
about what he was going through in his

2183
01:44:11,689 --> 01:44:09,179
professional career but was steadfast in

2184
01:44:15,050 --> 01:44:11,699
his dedication with this and when I say

2185
01:44:17,209 --> 01:44:15,060
Renegade I I truly mean that and I hope

2186
01:44:19,850 --> 01:44:17,219
that history is going to be the judge

2187
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:19,860
and look back and go this was a guy that

2188
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,040
didn't give a crap he just did what he

2189
01:44:27,470 --> 01:44:25,440
believed which is again the title of the

2190
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,480
book which takes me to I'm going to go

2191
01:44:31,550 --> 01:44:29,760
back to the UFO hearing and talk about

2192
01:44:33,770 --> 01:44:31,560
another Renegade which was

2193
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:33,780
representative Welch

2194
01:44:38,570 --> 01:44:35,360
because

2195
01:44:41,689 --> 01:44:38,580
when you had you know the two witnesses

2196
01:44:44,090 --> 01:44:41,699
wanted to talk about uh military and

2197
01:44:46,850 --> 01:44:44,100
technology and drones and they were

2198
01:44:50,270 --> 01:44:46,860
trying to force The Narrative of the

2199
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:50,280
hearing and Welsh came back with and

2200
01:44:54,350 --> 01:44:51,840
what's your take on this because Walsh

2201
01:44:57,709 --> 01:44:54,360
came back with you know what guys enough

2202
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:57,719
of this the universe is a big place and

2203
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:59,520
this is what he said right the universe

2204
01:45:03,709 --> 01:45:00,960
is a big place

2205
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:03,719
what about the extraterrestrials are

2206
01:45:10,129 --> 01:45:06,000
they here and then you got a little jaw

2207
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:10,139
flapping right and and it was okay all

2208
01:45:15,410 --> 01:45:11,760
right well you're not gonna answer that

2209
01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:15,420
but in the classified hearing later are

2210
01:45:18,290 --> 01:45:16,560
you going to tell us about the

2211
01:45:20,990 --> 01:45:18,300
extraterrestrials

2212
01:45:23,930 --> 01:45:21,000
that that is crossing the line yeah

2213
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:23,940
right that that right there was the

2214
01:45:29,629 --> 01:45:26,400
focus of this hearing is not drones the

2215
01:45:32,030 --> 01:45:29,639
focus of this hearing is UFOs and we

2216
01:45:34,310 --> 01:45:32,040
know what UFOs are and what they mean in

2217
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:34,320
popular culture let's talk about that

2218
01:45:39,649 --> 01:45:37,199
what did you think about uh Welsh's line

2219
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:39,659
of questioning and and what he was

2220
01:45:43,310 --> 01:45:42,000
trying to get them to discuss well there

2221
01:45:46,209 --> 01:45:43,320
were a few members of the committee who

2222
01:45:49,790 --> 01:45:46,219
are much more you know aggressive and uh

2223
01:45:52,250 --> 01:45:49,800
uh you know eager to to get Beyond look

2224
01:45:56,149 --> 01:45:52,260
the Witnesses were very careful

2225
01:45:59,450 --> 01:45:56,159
um gray and Moulton were a Moultrie were

2226
01:46:00,950 --> 01:45:59,460
very conservative and they stayed you

2227
01:46:01,970 --> 01:46:00,960
know very close to the fact they didn't

2228
01:46:04,430 --> 01:46:01,980
know about this they didn't know about

2229
01:46:06,649 --> 01:46:04,440
that and maybe literally they didn't

2230
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:06,659
know but you know other people might

2231
01:46:12,169 --> 01:46:10,560
know so they were very careful and

2232
01:46:14,030 --> 01:46:12,179
cautious

2233
01:46:15,890 --> 01:46:14,040
but clearly you know Welsh and other

2234
01:46:17,689 --> 01:46:15,900
members of the committee

2235
01:46:19,850 --> 01:46:17,699
um and Andre Carson who brought the

2236
01:46:22,010 --> 01:46:19,860
hearing in the first place

2237
01:46:24,050 --> 01:46:22,020
um you know were eager to push them we

2238
01:46:25,550 --> 01:46:24,060
don't know what was what was said in in

2239
01:46:27,530 --> 01:46:25,560
the classified portion that's

2240
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:27,540
interesting by the way that you know

2241
01:46:33,649 --> 01:46:31,199
there's part of this um hearing was uh

2242
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:33,659
was classified and you know and we we

2243
01:46:37,729 --> 01:46:35,520
just don't know I mean I have no sources

2244
01:46:39,950 --> 01:46:37,739
to penetrate that and even if I did I

2245
01:46:41,870 --> 01:46:39,960
wouldn't necessarily report it because I

2246
01:46:44,090 --> 01:46:41,880
don't want to go to jail

2247
01:46:46,010 --> 01:46:44,100
um and there's a reason we have you know

2248
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:46,020
rules about dealing with classified

2249
01:46:51,229 --> 01:46:48,239
information so that's not something that

2250
01:46:53,390 --> 01:46:51,239
a reporter can very easily uh you know

2251
01:46:55,310 --> 01:46:53,400
transgress and make up on his own and

2252
01:46:57,470 --> 01:46:55,320
you know decide that I'm going to break

2253
01:47:01,129 --> 01:46:57,480
this you know

2254
01:47:03,770 --> 01:47:01,139
um this embargo or not an embargo but

2255
01:47:05,209 --> 01:47:03,780
you know break this wall a classified

2256
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:05,219
information there's a reason it's

2257
01:47:09,290 --> 01:47:07,440
classified so

2258
01:47:11,689 --> 01:47:09,300
um you know unless there's there's some

2259
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,699
some really compelling reason to to

2260
01:47:16,129 --> 01:47:13,920
break that story but I I couldn't break

2261
01:47:18,050 --> 01:47:16,139
because I don't have it I I my my

2262
01:47:21,050 --> 01:47:18,060
sources our sources wouldn't tell us

2263
01:47:22,970 --> 01:47:21,060
what went on in the private session so

2264
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:22,980
we don't know hopefully that'll come out

2265
01:47:29,149 --> 01:47:25,199
because if it's serious enough it

2266
01:47:30,609 --> 01:47:29,159
belongs to to to humanity to know what

2267
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:30,619
the government knows about

2268
01:47:36,830 --> 01:47:32,880
extraterrestrial life

2269
01:47:38,030 --> 01:47:36,840
the the leaks and the breaking news and

2270
01:47:40,250 --> 01:47:38,040
the stuff that was coming out of the

2271
01:47:42,970 --> 01:47:40,260
Pentagon and it seemed to be reigning

2272
01:47:46,189 --> 01:47:42,980
leaks and information there for a minute

2273
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:46,199
has that been cut off has the fuss have

2274
01:47:51,770 --> 01:47:48,960
been cut off are you aware of uh other

2275
01:47:53,890 --> 01:47:51,780
information are there pending articles

2276
01:47:56,450 --> 01:47:53,900
out there

2277
01:47:59,810 --> 01:47:56,460
no you know there had not been a lot of

2278
01:48:01,310 --> 01:47:59,820
leaks about that uh Jimmy uh there's a

2279
01:48:04,250 --> 01:48:01,320
leaks about a lot of other things it

2280
01:48:07,729 --> 01:48:04,260
leaks about you know Ukraine policy and

2281
01:48:11,149 --> 01:48:07,739
you know stuff like that but on this uh

2282
01:48:14,689 --> 01:48:11,159
they have not been really any leaks and

2283
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:14,699
um uh so yeah I wouldn't say that

2284
01:48:18,410 --> 01:48:17,040
there's that much has emerged we just

2285
01:48:20,209 --> 01:48:18,420
don't know

2286
01:48:22,129 --> 01:48:20,219
um I mean the big outstanding questions

2287
01:48:25,189 --> 01:48:22,139
are there materials does the government

2288
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:25,199
or some private contractor working with

2289
01:48:30,290 --> 01:48:27,600
for the government have access to

2290
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:30,300
materials or a whole craft somewhere you

2291
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:31,920
know the stories have been circulating

2292
01:48:37,790 --> 01:48:36,000
for years but they've never been proven

2293
01:48:41,090 --> 01:48:37,800
um and

2294
01:48:44,090 --> 01:48:41,100
um you know have there been any contacts

2295
01:48:46,250 --> 01:48:44,100
uh things like that we just don't know

2296
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:46,260
and we'll have to be patient and see but

2297
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:48,239
one step at a time so I as I say I'm

2298
01:48:52,250 --> 01:48:50,400
just glad that we're at least at the

2299
01:48:55,729 --> 01:48:52,260
point where we can acknowledge that

2300
01:48:57,050 --> 01:48:55,739
these UFOs are real and next we can try

2301
01:48:59,330 --> 01:48:57,060
to figure out where they come from and

2302
01:49:02,270 --> 01:48:59,340
what they want with us well in one of

2303
01:49:06,109 --> 01:49:02,280
your articles uh buried down at the

2304
01:49:07,970 --> 01:49:06,119
bottom was that uh now I don't know if I

2305
01:49:10,910 --> 01:49:07,980
want to use famous or inFAMOUS two

2306
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:10,920
different words uh quote from Dr Eric

2307
01:49:19,790 --> 01:49:15,360
Davis attributed to Dr Eric Davis that

2308
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:19,800
he told the Senate uh in a in a briefing

2309
01:49:26,270 --> 01:49:23,760
that we indeed did have a recovered

2310
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:26,280
craft uh flying saucers not of this

2311
01:49:30,530 --> 01:49:29,040
Earth and I'm paraphrasing the quote a

2312
01:49:33,709 --> 01:49:30,540
little bit but I think we can both agree

2313
01:49:37,010 --> 01:49:33,719
that that's that's pretty close

2314
01:49:39,669 --> 01:49:37,020
um has anybody chosen to go back to Eric

2315
01:49:44,030 --> 01:49:39,679
Davis uh to take this a step further

2316
01:49:46,010 --> 01:49:44,040
because it in in in just in composition

2317
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:46,020
it's one of the most extraordinary

2318
01:49:53,149 --> 01:49:48,480
statements in the history of mankind I

2319
01:49:55,490 --> 01:49:53,159
mean it's it's a big big bold statement

2320
01:49:58,370 --> 01:49:55,500
um is uh somebody going to go back to

2321
01:50:00,109 --> 01:49:58,380
Eric Davis to expand on that and and

2322
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:00,119
shouldn't there be a journalist out

2323
01:50:04,850 --> 01:50:02,639
there uh many journalists that would

2324
01:50:06,649 --> 01:50:04,860
have picked up on that quote and said

2325
01:50:08,689 --> 01:50:06,659
wait a minute this is the story of the

2326
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:08,699
century the rest of your article was

2327
01:50:14,810 --> 01:50:12,719
fine by the way but well you know that

2328
01:50:16,250 --> 01:50:14,820
article first of all let me tell you

2329
01:50:18,290 --> 01:50:16,260
when you write an article for the New

2330
01:50:21,530 --> 01:50:18,300
York Times on a subject like this it's

2331
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:21,540
gone over very very carefully and you

2332
01:50:26,750 --> 01:50:24,239
know we went as far as we could go uh

2333
01:50:29,570 --> 01:50:26,760
with named sources and everything you

2334
01:50:32,270 --> 01:50:29,580
know that we reported was attributed as

2335
01:50:34,189 --> 01:50:32,280
I said before these are not unnamed

2336
01:50:35,930 --> 01:50:34,199
sources you know know a deep secret

2337
01:50:38,330 --> 01:50:35,940
source told us this because people

2338
01:50:40,209 --> 01:50:38,340
wouldn't believe it to maintain

2339
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:40,219
credibility with readers

2340
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:43,040
we like to

2341
01:50:48,410 --> 01:50:46,080
and all serious journalists would

2342
01:50:50,689 --> 01:50:48,420
probably agree like to name the source

2343
01:50:52,910 --> 01:50:50,699
and some people can judge this comes

2344
01:50:55,790 --> 01:50:52,920
from this guy who's an expert and he

2345
01:50:57,530 --> 01:50:55,800
said this and this so we reported and

2346
01:51:00,290 --> 01:50:57,540
again it was very carefully worded

2347
01:51:03,709 --> 01:51:00,300
because it was what we could confirm and

2348
01:51:06,410 --> 01:51:03,719
and back up that he presented a series

2349
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:06,420
of slides to congressional committees

2350
01:51:21,290 --> 01:51:19,010
craft craft and and and and materials

2351
01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:21,300
Etc but it was really whatever we

2352
01:51:25,550 --> 01:51:23,520
reported and and it was in a slide

2353
01:51:28,250 --> 01:51:25,560
presentation for congressional

2354
01:51:31,370 --> 01:51:28,260
committees we didn't go beyond that

2355
01:51:35,629 --> 01:51:31,380
and you know making that what you will

2356
01:51:38,450 --> 01:51:35,639
um we have talked to Eric Davis he

2357
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:38,460
you know what we can report on the

2358
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:40,560
record from him we reported we're still

2359
01:51:45,649 --> 01:51:42,960
in touch with other sources to try to

2360
01:51:49,070 --> 01:51:45,659
get more Leslie Kane and I keep working

2361
01:51:51,410 --> 01:51:49,080
on angles of the story we reported by

2362
01:51:53,810 --> 01:51:51,420
the way we broke the news of the hearing

2363
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:53,820
the Congressional hearing before it was

2364
01:51:57,169 --> 01:51:55,440
announced we knew that that was coming

2365
01:51:59,390 --> 01:51:57,179
we didn't know when but when we got

2366
01:52:00,770 --> 01:51:59,400
clearance to report it we broke the news

2367
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,780
that there would be a congressional

2368
01:52:04,669 --> 01:52:02,400
hearing

2369
01:52:06,109 --> 01:52:04,679
um so we continue to to work on stories

2370
01:52:07,370 --> 01:52:06,119
but

2371
01:52:09,229 --> 01:52:07,380
um

2372
01:52:10,570 --> 01:52:09,239
uh that's about as far as I can go on

2373
01:52:12,890 --> 01:52:10,580
that

2374
01:52:16,729 --> 01:52:12,900
I I

2375
01:52:19,609 --> 01:52:16,739
Eric needs to uh sometimes somebody's

2376
01:52:21,470 --> 01:52:19,619
got to be a martyr right I mean you just

2377
01:52:25,790 --> 01:52:21,480
gotta you just gotta take one for the

2378
01:52:28,490 --> 01:52:25,800
team and and I I think it's okay I I

2379
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:28,500
just I just wish you know that somebody

2380
01:52:33,890 --> 01:52:30,960
would have come at him but here's the

2381
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:33,900
other thing with the media

2382
01:52:39,169 --> 01:52:36,960
um I think the media by and large has

2383
01:52:41,089 --> 01:52:39,179
handled the last four years pretty well

2384
01:52:43,370 --> 01:52:41,099
you know for the first time we're not

2385
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:43,380
hearing you know X-Files music and that

2386
01:52:49,310 --> 01:52:46,320
that part of it is great but on the

2387
01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:49,320
other side we have got a lot happening

2388
01:52:53,689 --> 01:52:51,119
at the same time we've got the James

2389
01:52:56,810 --> 01:52:53,699
Webb Telescope firing off we have tests

2390
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:56,820
we have omumua we have exoplanets every

2391
01:53:02,450 --> 01:52:59,520
single day uh the the conversation about

2392
01:53:05,629 --> 01:53:02,460
what is going on uh is great press

2393
01:53:09,470 --> 01:53:05,639
release today out of NASA uh with amino

2394
01:53:13,729 --> 01:53:09,480
acids and and and things on on Mars this

2395
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:13,739
is really big stuff and it's about to

2396
01:53:18,530 --> 01:53:14,960
probably

2397
01:53:20,689 --> 01:53:18,540
break loose right and it may not be with

2398
01:53:23,390 --> 01:53:20,699
aliens in our atmosphere it could come

2399
01:53:25,070 --> 01:53:23,400
from the scientific community and we

2400
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:25,080
could get some pretty extraordinary news

2401
01:53:30,649 --> 01:53:27,119
on the heels of

2402
01:53:35,169 --> 01:53:30,659
um you know China as you know uh a week

2403
01:53:38,810 --> 01:53:35,179
ago announced that they had two a alien

2404
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:38,820
radio signals extraterrestrial that

2405
01:53:44,689 --> 01:53:42,000
that's that's the Chinese yes I was

2406
01:53:47,390 --> 01:53:44,699
knocked down very quickly because they

2407
01:53:50,450 --> 01:53:47,400
thought it was um it was some you know

2408
01:53:52,850 --> 01:53:50,460
reflection of a signal so I think that

2409
01:53:55,310 --> 01:53:52,860
was basically debunked

2410
01:53:57,050 --> 01:53:55,320
um but my point being yeah stuff is

2411
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:57,060
coming at us from all directions right

2412
01:54:02,810 --> 01:54:00,719
now no the science is fascinating and uh

2413
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:02,820
and and again

2414
01:54:08,570 --> 01:54:06,239
um I'm one of the people uh that has I

2415
01:54:13,070 --> 01:54:08,580
have no quarrel with science uh looking

2416
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:13,080
for signs of of molecular molecules even

2417
01:54:17,930 --> 01:54:15,119
if they're not highly developed beings

2418
01:54:20,629 --> 01:54:17,940
from space to show that yes there is the

2419
01:54:24,890 --> 01:54:20,639
possibility of Life existing uh other

2420
01:54:26,510 --> 01:54:24,900
than on this planet so uh I think uh you

2421
01:54:29,689 --> 01:54:26,520
know the search for particles the search

2422
01:54:31,729 --> 01:54:29,699
for dark matter and dark energy which

2423
01:54:33,290 --> 01:54:31,739
remains mostly mysterious we don't know

2424
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:33,300
what the universe is made of we don't

2425
01:54:37,729 --> 01:54:36,239
know what preceded the big big bang you

2426
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:37,739
know the questions are we don't know

2427
01:54:42,589 --> 01:54:40,320
what what death is we don't know what

2428
01:54:44,089 --> 01:54:42,599
happens when you die

2429
01:54:46,129 --> 01:54:44,099
um you know we don't know a lot of

2430
01:54:48,890 --> 01:54:46,139
things and I think it's great that

2431
01:54:50,330 --> 01:54:48,900
science is pursuing these questions

2432
01:54:55,729 --> 01:54:50,340
um and

2433
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:55,739
know the only life we've come up with in

2434
01:55:00,589 --> 01:54:57,840
the universe are molecules well that

2435
01:55:02,510 --> 01:55:00,599
shows that life can exist and given that

2436
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:02,520
the universe is you know 13 billion

2437
01:55:05,870 --> 01:55:04,080
years old well there might have been

2438
01:55:09,530 --> 01:55:05,880
other civilizations that came and went

2439
01:55:11,629 --> 01:55:09,540
and developed that's a long time uh for

2440
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:11,639
for things to you know for life to

2441
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:14,639
develop come and go so

2442
01:55:19,070 --> 01:55:16,320
um I think it's great I agree with you

2443
01:55:23,629 --> 01:55:19,080
100 that it's very exciting that science

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01:55:26,330 --> 01:55:23,639
is is making this is progress and uh

2445
01:55:29,209 --> 01:55:26,340
um uh you know somewhere that that might

2446
01:55:32,030 --> 01:55:29,219
meet what John Mack was was looking for

2447
01:55:33,830 --> 01:55:32,040
were you surprised last question and

2448
01:55:35,810 --> 01:55:33,840
then we'll let you go and and thank you

2449
01:55:37,850 --> 01:55:35,820
uh for for hanging out with us tonight

2450
01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:37,860
great conversation

2451
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:40,440
um after your article and your series of

2452
01:55:46,609 --> 01:55:42,719
Articles too because it started on

2453
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:46,619
December 16th and 17th with you uh in in

2454
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:48,480
2017.

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01:55:53,450 --> 01:55:49,679
um but

2456
01:55:55,370 --> 01:55:53,460
after your article and all of the media

2457
01:55:57,229 --> 01:55:55,380
coverage and everything that resulted

2458
01:55:58,370 --> 01:55:57,239
from that nobody jumped off any

2459
01:56:01,010 --> 01:55:58,380
buildings

2460
01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:01,020
we didn't have rights in the streets the

2461
01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:03,599
Vatican didn't collapse Wall Street was

2462
01:56:09,290 --> 01:56:06,480
just fine and I think the world handled

2463
01:56:11,470 --> 01:56:09,300
it pretty well don't you it did but we

2464
01:56:14,270 --> 01:56:11,480
we didn't produce any aliens

2465
01:56:17,209 --> 01:56:14,280
so that's going to be the real test but

2466
01:56:18,709 --> 01:56:17,219
you're right uh you know again when you

2467
01:56:21,050 --> 01:56:18,719
look at the history of how the

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01:56:23,209 --> 01:56:21,060
government has handled this issue they

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01:56:25,010 --> 01:56:23,219
uh part of the reason that they

2470
01:56:26,570 --> 01:56:25,020
dissembled so much and didn't tell

2471
01:56:28,669 --> 01:56:26,580
American people the truth was that there

2472
01:56:30,470 --> 01:56:28,679
was some feeling that you know like Jack

2473
01:56:31,669 --> 01:56:30,480
Nicholson said you can't handle the

2474
01:56:34,609 --> 01:56:31,679
truth

2475
01:56:37,490 --> 01:56:34,619
um so oh we're afraid you know the the

2476
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:37,500
humanity is so delicate that if we told

2477
01:56:42,770 --> 01:56:40,080
them what was really going on with UFOs

2478
01:56:44,930 --> 01:56:42,780
then Humanity would fall apart I mean

2479
01:56:46,609 --> 01:56:44,940
that was always the subtext of why the

2480
01:56:47,930 --> 01:56:46,619
government at least all government other

2481
01:56:50,930 --> 01:56:47,940
governments by the way were much more

2482
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:50,940
forthcoming and South America the French

2483
01:56:57,530 --> 01:56:54,960
the belgians the Brazilians

2484
01:56:59,410 --> 01:56:57,540
um were much more open about what they

2485
01:57:02,629 --> 01:56:59,420
were finding but anyway our government

2486
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:02,639
was very afraid to oh you know American

2487
01:57:06,770 --> 01:57:05,520
people can't handle the truth and

2488
01:57:07,750 --> 01:57:06,780
um so

2489
01:57:13,129 --> 01:57:07,760
um

2490
01:57:14,810 --> 01:57:13,139
when the Navy produced these videos that

2491
01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:14,820
we you know published in the New York

2492
01:57:19,250 --> 01:57:17,040
Times that showed these objects are real

2493
01:57:20,990 --> 01:57:19,260
that they have pictures of them that

2494
01:57:22,850 --> 01:57:21,000
they're physical

2495
01:57:24,589 --> 01:57:22,860
um that they're nothing like anything we

2496
01:57:27,890 --> 01:57:24,599
have on Earth it's not America secret

2497
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:27,900
American Technology and nobody killed

2498
01:57:33,350 --> 01:57:30,960
themselves over it so um I like to think

2499
01:57:35,770 --> 01:57:33,360
that maybe with other Revelations to

2500
01:57:39,169 --> 01:57:35,780
come people will be able to handle that

2501
01:57:41,330 --> 01:57:39,179
and uh and go with it because it's it's

2502
01:57:42,669 --> 01:57:41,340
really very exciting when you think of

2503
01:57:45,709 --> 01:57:42,679
look

2504
01:57:48,430 --> 01:57:45,719
we've been through many revolutions I

2505
01:57:52,430 --> 01:57:48,440
mean the darwinian revolution

2506
01:57:56,709 --> 01:57:52,440
the einsteinian revolution Einstein that

2507
01:57:59,689 --> 01:57:56,719
the universe is expanding that

2508
01:58:02,209 --> 01:57:59,699
you know all these things have have come

2509
01:58:04,430 --> 01:58:02,219
along one after the other Freud to show

2510
01:58:06,169 --> 01:58:04,440
that humans are not really in control of

2511
01:58:10,070 --> 01:58:06,179
their own psyches that they're these

2512
01:58:12,709 --> 01:58:10,080
dark Forces that rule rule our minds and

2513
01:58:15,470 --> 01:58:12,719
bodies and people didn't jump off

2514
01:58:17,510 --> 01:58:15,480
buildings so maybe we'll find with the

2515
01:58:19,850 --> 01:58:17,520
next Revelation that there's life out

2516
01:58:22,330 --> 01:58:19,860
there and it might be highly intelligent

2517
01:58:25,370 --> 01:58:22,340
might be just microbes but you know

2518
01:58:27,169 --> 01:58:25,380
let's applaud it and and try to

2519
01:58:28,910 --> 01:58:27,179
understand it and not jump off a

2520
01:58:33,109 --> 01:58:28,920
building on account of it

2521
01:58:35,270 --> 01:58:33,119
Ralph Professor Blumenthal you are sir a

2522
01:58:38,030 --> 01:58:35,280
renegade and I want to thank you for

2523
01:58:40,790 --> 01:58:38,040
everything and all of your efforts and

2524
01:58:42,709 --> 01:58:40,800
continue to teach and continue to do

2525
01:58:44,390 --> 01:58:42,719
your thing and I look forward to our

2526
01:58:45,950 --> 01:58:44,400
next conversation thank you so much I

2527
01:58:47,830 --> 01:58:45,960
mean you're great as usual thanks again

2528
01:58:52,370 --> 01:58:47,840
a real pleasure

2529
01:58:55,970 --> 01:58:52,380
yeah absolutely thank you so much Ralph

2530
01:58:58,510 --> 01:58:55,980
Blumenthal the paperback is out for the

2531
01:59:00,589 --> 01:58:58,520
believer and you can certainly go to

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01:59:03,530 --> 01:59:00,599
ralphbloomenthal.com for all of the

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01:59:05,330 --> 01:59:03,540
information what a great conversation I

2534
01:59:08,330 --> 01:59:05,340
am going to take a quick break right

2535
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here and I'll swing back to some open

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lines stay right there this is Fade to

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Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

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host Jimmy church I want to thank Ralph

2648
02:05:05,330 --> 02:05:02,340
Blumenthal

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02:05:08,689 --> 02:05:05,340
coming to antique you know what an

2650
02:05:10,850 --> 02:05:08,699
amazing conversation and uh I wanted to

2651
02:05:13,010 --> 02:05:10,860
take it longer but he's got to get up

2652
02:05:15,290 --> 02:05:13,020
and teach class in the morning and it's

2653
02:05:18,770 --> 02:05:15,300
it's on the east coast and he's an

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Exeter New York and uh so there you go

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02:05:24,770 --> 02:05:21,780
but uh that that was an amazing 90

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02:05:26,569 --> 02:05:24,780
minutes uh he is truly a renegade and I

2657
02:05:31,490 --> 02:05:26,579
want to thank Ralph the paperback is out

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02:05:34,850 --> 02:05:31,500
now uh for the believer so it's

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available uh wherever you go and uh and

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and get your books

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02:05:42,530 --> 02:05:38,880
um and he also it's so cool it's out on

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02:05:45,649 --> 02:05:42,540
Audible as well and uh it's a great read

2663
02:05:50,810 --> 02:05:45,659
the believer about uh professor John

2664
02:05:53,689 --> 02:05:50,820
Mack and uh What uh there there's a few

2665
02:05:58,089 --> 02:05:53,699
takeaways and and before I get to that

2666
02:06:02,350 --> 02:05:58,099
um I'm opening up the phone lines uh

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02:06:05,629 --> 02:06:02,360
818-921-6929 or 323-2759

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02:06:08,209 --> 02:06:05,639
695 phone lines are open if you ever

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02:06:12,910 --> 02:06:08,219
wanted to get through right now they are

2670
02:06:12,920 --> 02:06:18,649
818-921-6929 or 323-275-9695

2671
02:06:24,589 --> 02:06:22,609
um going back we touched upon uh when

2672
02:06:27,290 --> 02:06:24,599
you read the believer

2673
02:06:29,450 --> 02:06:27,300
and then you have the opportunity now

2674
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:29,460
and it's it's never been quite like this

2675
02:06:37,129 --> 02:06:32,880
where you can go and watch the Ariel

2676
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:37,139
phenomenon the documentary and and see

2677
02:06:44,149 --> 02:06:41,040
John Mack how uh how he is as a person

2678
02:06:47,990 --> 02:06:44,159
but how he approaches the subject and

2679
02:06:50,810 --> 02:06:48,000
and how he speaks to children and this

2680
02:06:54,530 --> 02:06:50,820
is you know and he's wrote many books on

2681
02:06:57,189 --> 02:06:54,540
on dealing with kids on on very

2682
02:07:00,169 --> 02:06:57,199
sensitive things and and psychology so

2683
02:07:02,030 --> 02:07:00,179
uh and you get to do that now for the

2684
02:07:06,010 --> 02:07:02,040
first time and and you read the book and

2685
02:07:08,209 --> 02:07:06,020
then go watch the movie and then you can

2686
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:08,219
you know perceived the book in a

2687
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:09,920
different light because you're able to

2688
02:07:15,890 --> 02:07:12,960
see John Mack on film

2689
02:07:19,310 --> 02:07:15,900
uh it's an incredible opportunity right

2690
02:07:21,169 --> 02:07:19,320
now that we've never quite had before

2691
02:07:23,990 --> 02:07:21,179
um the believer is a great book and they

2692
02:07:27,109 --> 02:07:24,000
have it out now on on paperback is is

2693
02:07:29,270 --> 02:07:27,119
just great so now a couple of the

2694
02:07:31,430 --> 02:07:29,280
takeaways here

2695
02:07:33,050 --> 02:07:31,440
um and and this is a serious thing I'm

2696
02:07:35,089 --> 02:07:33,060
I'm going to go back to the Multiverse

2697
02:07:41,050 --> 02:07:35,099
two as well as I wait for uh phone calls

2698
02:07:43,550 --> 02:07:41,060
to come in is that there was something

2699
02:07:47,270 --> 02:07:43,560
in John Mack

2700
02:07:51,470 --> 02:07:47,280
and he took it with him

2701
02:07:56,510 --> 02:07:51,480
okay he he died uh he was hit by a car

2702
02:07:59,990 --> 02:07:56,520
um in London and whatever whatever it

2703
02:08:07,129 --> 02:08:03,410
allowed him to connect the dots and this

2704
02:08:10,189 --> 02:08:07,139
is this is a very serious point

2705
02:08:13,010 --> 02:08:10,199
uh with John because he's a professor

2706
02:08:16,010 --> 02:08:13,020
he's at Harvard right he's tenured and

2707
02:08:17,390 --> 02:08:16,020
yes he had an open mind on a lot of

2708
02:08:19,370 --> 02:08:17,400
things but

2709
02:08:20,510 --> 02:08:19,380
he was a very serious and respected

2710
02:08:26,589 --> 02:08:20,520
professional

2711
02:08:30,109 --> 02:08:26,599
and as he is uh interviewing

2712
02:08:32,510 --> 02:08:30,119
Witnesses and experiencers and they

2713
02:08:35,689 --> 02:08:32,520
started to mount up

2714
02:08:37,870 --> 02:08:35,699
he connected the dots there was

2715
02:08:41,810 --> 02:08:37,880
something that happened

2716
02:08:43,629 --> 02:08:41,820
and I don't know what that specific

2717
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:43,639
thing was

2718
02:08:48,649 --> 02:08:45,599
and

2719
02:08:50,930 --> 02:08:48,659
you know I had always hoped

2720
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:50,940
um that he would say okay this is this

2721
02:08:55,729 --> 02:08:53,360
is this is this is the thing but maybe

2722
02:08:59,330 --> 02:08:55,739
he couldn't

2723
02:09:02,589 --> 02:08:59,340
right because that pollutes

2724
02:09:05,930 --> 02:09:02,599
and contaminates

2725
02:09:07,810 --> 02:09:05,940
your your process

2726
02:09:11,569 --> 02:09:07,820
and your methods

2727
02:09:15,229 --> 02:09:11,579
and the thing with John and and let me

2728
02:09:20,530 --> 02:09:15,239
explain what I am was suggesting here

2729
02:09:25,970 --> 02:09:23,209
questions he was going to steer the

2730
02:09:28,550 --> 02:09:25,980
session he wasn't going to suggest

2731
02:09:32,629 --> 02:09:28,560
things no he wanted people to recall

2732
02:09:35,149 --> 02:09:32,639
that's it right and you can't do that

2733
02:09:39,470 --> 02:09:35,159
ever and he wanted to make sure

2734
02:09:42,830 --> 02:09:39,480
steadfastly that he never LED he didn't

2735
02:09:47,209 --> 02:09:42,840
suggest he didn't guide the sessions he

2736
02:09:51,470 --> 02:09:47,219
didn't want to uh contaminate uh the

2737
02:09:53,689 --> 02:09:51,480
session right and and that's that's very

2738
02:09:59,330 --> 02:09:53,699
very very important

2739
02:10:03,709 --> 02:09:59,340
so if he disclosed right publicly what

2740
02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:03,719
that thing was that allowed him to go

2741
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:05,280
wait a minute

2742
02:10:12,830 --> 02:10:10,320
there is something going on here

2743
02:10:16,490 --> 02:10:12,840
you can't you can't let that out you

2744
02:10:19,609 --> 02:10:16,500
can't contaminate and and I get that but

2745
02:10:22,669 --> 02:10:19,619
I've always wondered what was it what

2746
02:10:26,030 --> 02:10:22,679
was that one consistent thing

2747
02:10:29,750 --> 02:10:26,040
through all of his patience and and and

2748
02:10:32,030 --> 02:10:29,760
and clients and experiencers there was

2749
02:10:35,629 --> 02:10:32,040
something where he sat back and went

2750
02:10:38,229 --> 02:10:35,639
okay you know what uh I am I'm dealing

2751
02:10:42,290 --> 02:10:38,239
with life a little bit differently here

2752
02:10:44,810 --> 02:10:42,300
and and that's it so with that

2753
02:10:47,629 --> 02:10:44,820
um I am going to mess around here I'm

2754
02:10:49,370 --> 02:10:47,639
going to put this on hold and I am going

2755
02:10:52,310 --> 02:10:49,380
to okay now the calls are coming

2756
02:10:54,850 --> 02:10:52,320
everybody be be patient

2757
02:10:59,589 --> 02:10:54,860
let me do this

2758
02:11:06,050 --> 02:10:59,599
and I'm going to come back here

2759
02:11:11,450 --> 02:11:09,050
Let's uh

2760
02:11:13,970 --> 02:11:11,460
oh man

2761
02:11:16,490 --> 02:11:13,980
I just messed it up but uh that's okay

2762
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:16,500
that's okay let's see who we have you're

2763
02:11:22,850 --> 02:11:19,040
live on Fade to Black who's calling

2764
02:11:25,490 --> 02:11:22,860
hi Jenny this is Lafayette hi Lafayette

2765
02:11:28,669 --> 02:11:25,500
how are you man what's going on

2766
02:11:29,689 --> 02:11:28,679
I'm doing good well I'm obsessed I went

2767
02:11:30,950 --> 02:11:29,699
back and listened to some of your old

2768
02:11:33,770 --> 02:11:30,960
shows with

2769
02:11:36,109 --> 02:11:33,780
uh Chris bled the bledsoes and you know

2770
02:11:37,729 --> 02:11:36,119
it's easy to find out

2771
02:11:39,589 --> 02:11:37,739
what the government doesn't want to

2772
02:11:41,870 --> 02:11:39,599
disclose by who they're trying to shut

2773
02:11:45,589 --> 02:11:41,880
up they're threatening those guys and

2774
02:11:48,050 --> 02:11:45,599
Bob Lazar had his whole past erased

2775
02:11:49,669 --> 02:11:48,060
uh Mark McCandless slept with a nine

2776
02:11:52,370 --> 02:11:49,679
millimeter unders

2777
02:11:54,709 --> 02:11:52,380
pillow over the RV so I think

2778
02:11:56,450 --> 02:11:54,719
what they're threatening them over is

2779
02:11:58,490 --> 02:11:56,460
they said there's some group high up in

2780
02:12:02,050 --> 02:11:58,500
a government that's trying to recreate

2781
02:12:04,790 --> 02:12:02,060
the apocalypse by their own actions

2782
02:12:05,810 --> 02:12:04,800
that's the same people hiding the UFO

2783
02:12:08,569 --> 02:12:05,820
stuff

2784
02:12:10,970 --> 02:12:08,579
well uh okay let's go back to the

2785
02:12:14,890 --> 02:12:10,980
bledsoes for a second I have always

2786
02:12:20,510 --> 02:12:14,900
found that very interesting

2787
02:12:22,850 --> 02:12:20,520
that uh apparently okay I I I haven't

2788
02:12:25,250 --> 02:12:22,860
been there I haven't seen this for

2789
02:12:29,270 --> 02:12:25,260
myself but I've certainly heard

2790
02:12:32,089 --> 02:12:29,280
enough uh about uh the blood cells that

2791
02:12:34,310 --> 02:12:32,099
the CIA was was interested in in

2792
02:12:36,229 --> 02:12:34,320
government agencies were interested and

2793
02:12:38,450 --> 02:12:36,239
they were going out to his property and

2794
02:12:41,990 --> 02:12:38,460
and seeing this phenomenon for

2795
02:12:46,910 --> 02:12:42,000
themselves and discussing with him uh

2796
02:12:48,649 --> 02:12:46,920
what was going on it wasn't uh uh and

2797
02:12:53,089 --> 02:12:48,659
what there's interest from the UFO

2798
02:12:55,790 --> 02:12:53,099
Community but why would

2799
02:12:58,669 --> 02:12:55,800
um in some sense uh in a very public way

2800
02:13:02,330 --> 02:12:58,679
why would the CIA and other agents

2801
02:13:05,030 --> 02:13:02,340
agents you know from agencies converge

2802
02:13:08,510 --> 02:13:05,040
on his house what is it that they were

2803
02:13:13,010 --> 02:13:08,520
interested in because uh the things that

2804
02:13:14,930 --> 02:13:13,020
he was uh you know saying uh not only on

2805
02:13:16,490 --> 02:13:14,940
this program but but others and through

2806
02:13:18,470 --> 02:13:16,500
other people

2807
02:13:20,390 --> 02:13:18,480
um he had a very unique situation out

2808
02:13:22,910 --> 02:13:20,400
there that may even have a religious

2809
02:13:26,990 --> 02:13:22,920
component to it

2810
02:13:29,750 --> 02:13:27,000
um what is the interest there from the

2811
02:13:32,870 --> 02:13:29,760
agencies unless they knew this going in

2812
02:13:36,589 --> 02:13:32,880
and that they knew that uh Chris's

2813
02:13:38,390 --> 02:13:36,599
interaction and information was real and

2814
02:13:41,629 --> 02:13:38,400
they needed to pursue this and I've

2815
02:13:44,569 --> 02:13:41,639
always found that interesting Lafayette

2816
02:13:48,410 --> 02:13:44,579
yeah I absolutely agree well the Fatima

2817
02:13:50,030 --> 02:13:48,420
uh spirit or Angelic being seems to be

2818
02:13:51,890 --> 02:13:50,040
you know she would chat with the little

2819
02:13:53,750 --> 02:13:51,900
kids about politics so she seems to be

2820
02:13:54,890 --> 02:13:53,760
way into her politics and she's the one

2821
02:13:56,689 --> 02:13:54,900
that's saying there's these people high

2822
02:13:58,189 --> 02:13:56,699
up in our government that we're trying

2823
02:14:00,830 --> 02:13:58,199
to bring on apocalypse and that also

2824
02:14:02,510 --> 02:14:00,840
explains the plague of 2020. you know

2825
02:14:05,510 --> 02:14:02,520
that's the only logical explanation is

2826
02:14:07,729 --> 02:14:05,520
some ideological uh fanatic is trying to

2827
02:14:09,229 --> 02:14:07,739
self-fulfill the end of the world

2828
02:14:11,629 --> 02:14:09,239
prophecy but it's actually not the end

2829
02:14:14,870 --> 02:14:11,639
of the world it's just as I said earlier

2830
02:14:17,510 --> 02:14:14,880
on other shows this huge Fireball that

2831
02:14:18,470 --> 02:14:17,520
began the uh younger driest was a

2832
02:14:20,689 --> 02:14:18,480
methane

2833
02:14:22,729 --> 02:14:20,699
Fireball because the temperatures shot

2834
02:14:24,290 --> 02:14:22,739
up like seven degrees globally just

2835
02:14:26,390 --> 02:14:24,300
before it happened that's too much of a

2836
02:14:32,030 --> 02:14:26,400
coincidence for an impact or any other

2837
02:14:36,830 --> 02:14:32,040
explanation well uh I I appreciate your

2838
02:14:39,109 --> 02:14:36,840
Insight I think that and opinions matter

2839
02:14:42,589 --> 02:14:39,119
um I think that's a little I mean for me

2840
02:14:45,890 --> 02:14:42,599
that's a little extreme is it possible

2841
02:14:48,050 --> 02:14:45,900
sure it it is

2842
02:14:51,109 --> 02:14:48,060
um I

2843
02:14:53,990 --> 02:14:51,119
to have I don't think anybody and that

2844
02:14:56,930 --> 02:14:54,000
includes Chris Bledsoe nobody wants to

2845
02:14:59,569 --> 02:14:56,940
suddenly become a prophet nobody wants

2846
02:15:01,970 --> 02:14:59,579
to say that I have information that you

2847
02:15:04,490 --> 02:15:01,980
know about the future and this is what's

2848
02:15:08,089 --> 02:15:04,500
going nobody wants to be that person you

2849
02:15:12,109 --> 02:15:08,099
you don't and even if it's true and real

2850
02:15:15,169 --> 02:15:12,119
you don't want that and and I I wouldn't

2851
02:15:17,890 --> 02:15:15,179
ever want to be in that position and so

2852
02:15:20,629 --> 02:15:17,900
for Chris to come forward and I remember

2853
02:15:22,250 --> 02:15:20,639
uh talking to him about this a couple of

2854
02:15:24,550 --> 02:15:22,260
times

2855
02:15:27,470 --> 02:15:24,560
um and you could just tell

2856
02:15:30,109 --> 02:15:27,480
he he doesn't want to be that person he

2857
02:15:32,030 --> 02:15:30,119
didn't want to talk about it and no and

2858
02:15:34,010 --> 02:15:32,040
plus it's so depressing too it's you

2859
02:15:35,750 --> 02:15:34,020
know earthquakes down the center of a

2860
02:15:38,089 --> 02:15:35,760
continent that's another sign for the

2861
02:15:40,790 --> 02:15:38,099
pole shift that's the line of travel 70s

2862
02:15:42,470 --> 02:15:40,800
degrees west it's that chunk of iron up

2863
02:15:44,330 --> 02:15:42,480
in Canada the geomagnetic pole is going

2864
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:44,340
to reunite with the liquid magnetic pole

2865
02:15:48,470 --> 02:15:46,800
the dipole when it uh when we have the

2866
02:15:53,109 --> 02:15:48,480
port when an Arctic Firestorm Avenger

2867
02:15:59,930 --> 02:15:55,910
you know I was uh uh you know I've

2868
02:16:05,089 --> 02:15:59,940
talked about that a lot and uh

2869
02:16:07,490 --> 02:16:05,099
uh if we go uh throughout history and

2870
02:16:09,530 --> 02:16:07,500
into deep history

2871
02:16:13,010 --> 02:16:09,540
um the polls have shifted and moved and

2872
02:16:17,649 --> 02:16:13,020
are moving right now all the time and

2873
02:16:25,010 --> 02:16:21,410
the center of our planet isn't rocks

2874
02:16:28,430 --> 02:16:25,020
you know you go down uh uh you know a

2875
02:16:30,589 --> 02:16:28,440
few miles it's it's molten it's liquid

2876
02:16:33,849 --> 02:16:30,599
it's liquid it's liquid

2877
02:16:38,690 --> 02:16:33,859
that's it magnetic hydrodynamics

2878
02:16:42,410 --> 02:16:38,700
magnetic it's it's metals and it's irons

2879
02:16:46,610 --> 02:16:42,420
and it's hot and it's moving all the

2880
02:16:52,610 --> 02:16:46,620
time and it's always done that period

2881
02:16:54,849 --> 02:16:52,620
our continents we we Lafayette uh let me

2882
02:16:59,330 --> 02:16:54,859
let me be very direct

2883
02:17:01,490 --> 02:16:59,340
we today in the last uh you know if we

2884
02:17:05,709 --> 02:17:01,500
go back through recorded history so

2885
02:17:08,870 --> 02:17:05,719
let's say let's call it 5 000 years okay

2886
02:17:11,509 --> 02:17:08,880
very short period of time over four and

2887
02:17:14,450 --> 02:17:11,519
a half billion years

2888
02:17:17,929 --> 02:17:14,460
thousand years we think

2889
02:17:19,070 --> 02:17:17,939
the land that we walk on has always been

2890
02:17:21,950 --> 02:17:19,080
here

2891
02:17:23,570 --> 02:17:21,960
that's what we think that this is the

2892
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:23,580
way it's always been

2893
02:17:32,750 --> 02:17:29,040
no it has been nothing but movement

2894
02:17:38,089 --> 02:17:32,760
and we will continue to move

2895
02:17:39,410 --> 02:17:38,099
I don't know uh what it would be like if

2896
02:17:44,389 --> 02:17:39,420
suddenly

2897
02:17:47,809 --> 02:17:44,399
uh North America you know shifts uh 2

2898
02:17:49,450 --> 02:17:47,819
000 miles to the West right

2899
02:17:53,389 --> 02:17:49,460
what

2900
02:17:56,349 --> 02:17:53,399
kind of earthquakes and tsunamis and

2901
02:17:59,990 --> 02:17:56,359
Devastation would happen from that

2902
02:18:02,049 --> 02:18:00,000
but it happens all the time

2903
02:18:04,780 --> 02:18:02,059
all the time

2904
02:18:06,309 --> 02:18:04,790
over tens of thousands of years ago

2905
02:18:10,490 --> 02:18:06,319
[Music]

2906
02:18:13,070 --> 02:18:10,500
up down sideways uh and and that's

2907
02:18:15,110 --> 02:18:13,080
that's the truth of the matter there is

2908
02:18:19,070 --> 02:18:15,120
no other way to look at it it's going to

2909
02:18:21,169 --> 02:18:19,080
happen again and uh when when people I'm

2910
02:18:24,349 --> 02:18:21,179
not being some doomsday guy I'm just

2911
02:18:27,889 --> 02:18:24,359
talking about nature and and that's just

2912
02:18:29,929 --> 02:18:27,899
the way that it is and and so when I had

2913
02:18:33,530 --> 02:18:29,939
Scott Creighton on the show

2914
02:18:36,770 --> 02:18:33,540
a couple of weeks ago and and his show

2915
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:36,780
oh his his book man uh the Great Pyramid

2916
02:18:42,770 --> 02:18:38,399
hoax

2917
02:18:45,469 --> 02:18:42,780
um is uh the the uh I'm sorry uh the new

2918
02:18:50,690 --> 02:18:45,479
one is called the Great Pyramid hoax was

2919
02:18:53,270 --> 02:18:50,700
uh his his other book uh but anyway uh

2920
02:18:57,650 --> 02:18:53,280
the the great the void Enigma right the

2921
02:19:02,270 --> 02:18:57,660
new book and he talks about

2922
02:19:12,250 --> 02:19:06,049
in recorded history right and and and

2923
02:19:16,429 --> 02:19:12,260
and so to have this in in documentation

2924
02:19:18,309 --> 02:19:16,439
that the the stars are are tripping out

2925
02:19:26,389 --> 02:19:18,319
right

2926
02:19:28,669 --> 02:19:26,399
the sun is is is rising in the west and

2927
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:28,679
setting in the East it wasn't doing that

2928
02:19:33,830 --> 02:19:30,800
a couple of weeks ago what is going on

2929
02:19:36,230 --> 02:19:33,840
and now did you just hear the pivot too

2930
02:19:39,169 --> 02:19:36,240
now it's a safer place to live well one

2931
02:19:41,809 --> 02:19:39,179
would say uh when hearing something like

2932
02:19:44,570 --> 02:19:41,819
that and it's difficult that that's

2933
02:19:46,730 --> 02:19:44,580
imagination but it wasn't just one

2934
02:19:48,849 --> 02:19:46,740
culture it wasn't just one group of

2935
02:19:53,570 --> 02:19:48,859
people talking about this it was many

2936
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:53,580
now what would happen today

2937
02:20:03,170 --> 02:19:59,990
right and flipped upside down

2938
02:20:05,270 --> 02:20:03,180
now think about that for a second and

2939
02:20:08,809 --> 02:20:05,280
according to his research it happened

2940
02:20:10,690 --> 02:20:08,819
over a two-week period it took two weeks

2941
02:20:17,809 --> 02:20:10,700
right

2942
02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:17,819
and then it flipped back again

2943
02:20:22,750 --> 02:20:21,200
and went back to the correct orientation

2944
02:20:29,570 --> 02:20:22,760
I

2945
02:20:32,270 --> 02:20:29,580
isn't this isn't uh you know a million

2946
02:20:34,730 --> 02:20:32,280
years ago you know where you know um

2947
02:20:37,309 --> 02:20:34,740
archaeologists geologists have measured

2948
02:20:39,830 --> 02:20:37,319
the magnetic properties of the rocks and

2949
02:20:41,929 --> 02:20:39,840
some that the pole shift happened four

2950
02:20:45,190 --> 02:20:41,939
and a half million years ago we're not

2951
02:20:49,490 --> 02:20:47,750
there was all that melting that flooding

2952
02:20:51,170 --> 02:20:49,500
that's because the ice gets to place

2953
02:20:53,030 --> 02:20:51,180
where it's warmer and it melts right

2954
02:20:55,550 --> 02:20:53,040
away and then The person talks about the

2955
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:55,560
same thing yeah yeah yeah and there are

2956
02:21:01,910 --> 02:20:59,280
many accounts of this and so what what

2957
02:21:03,469 --> 02:21:01,920
do we do with that right what do we do

2958
02:21:08,450 --> 02:21:03,479
well okay

2959
02:21:10,429 --> 02:21:08,460
if uh if if Chris Bledsoe has been shown

2960
02:21:14,270 --> 02:21:10,439
something like this

2961
02:21:17,150 --> 02:21:14,280
is do you do you go public with it right

2962
02:21:19,550 --> 02:21:17,160
do you do you let it keep doing that no

2963
02:21:22,510 --> 02:21:19,560
I'm talking about in in the grand scale

2964
02:21:25,730 --> 02:21:22,520
right do you go do you tell the world

2965
02:21:28,969 --> 02:21:25,740
does the CIA go okay this is what's

2966
02:21:30,830 --> 02:21:28,979
happening uh we just went that's why

2967
02:21:33,050 --> 02:21:30,840
they're not disclosing right yeah a lot

2968
02:21:35,570 --> 02:21:33,060
of people are gonna die they may have

2969
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:35,580
gone to the Future in UFOs because if

2970
02:21:38,889 --> 02:21:36,720
they travel faster than the speed of

2971
02:21:42,410 --> 02:21:38,899
light they can go backwards in time too

2972
02:21:45,230 --> 02:21:42,420
uh yeah so you know all theoretical but

2973
02:21:46,690 --> 02:21:45,240
I think uh when it comes to that across

2974
02:21:49,610 --> 02:21:46,700
timelines you can't travel on your own

2975
02:21:51,170 --> 02:21:49,620
Paradox Seasons but well anything a lot

2976
02:21:54,050 --> 02:21:51,180
of timelines in the future end with this

2977
02:21:55,790 --> 02:21:54,060
in just a few years sure sure they're

2978
02:21:57,349 --> 02:21:55,800
using if you're using the apocalypse

2979
02:21:59,750 --> 02:21:57,359
timeline that's the same one I use for

2980
02:22:03,770 --> 02:21:59,760
the mid 30s for the pole shift based on

2981
02:22:05,510 --> 02:22:03,780
1877 being the uh uh date to start with

2982
02:22:06,590 --> 02:22:05,520
when the internal combustion engine got

2983
02:22:08,990 --> 02:22:06,600
a patent

2984
02:22:11,030 --> 02:22:09,000
so you just you there's five months of

2985
02:22:12,710 --> 02:22:11,040
the fifth angel which is 150 years in

2986
02:22:14,270 --> 02:22:12,720
their time it's all allegorical it's

2987
02:22:16,429 --> 02:22:14,280
probably written by a secret society too

2988
02:22:18,050 --> 02:22:16,439
that book kind of snuck into the Bible

2989
02:22:20,889 --> 02:22:18,060
well

2990
02:22:24,050 --> 02:22:20,899
um let's say

2991
02:22:26,450 --> 02:22:24,060
uh that we've

2992
02:22:27,950 --> 02:22:26,460
we've got a situation like the movie

2993
02:22:32,870 --> 02:22:27,960
don't look up

2994
02:22:37,309 --> 02:22:32,880
right where suddenly we've got

2995
02:22:42,050 --> 02:22:37,319
six months before impact right on earth

2996
02:22:42,770 --> 02:22:42,060
like you know a Major Impact what do you

2997
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:42,780
do

2998
02:22:59,150 --> 02:22:55,200
and maybe you just want to live out the

2999
02:23:00,950 --> 02:22:59,160
last six months uh normally or do you

3000
02:23:04,190 --> 02:23:00,960
disclose to the world that you've got

3001
02:23:06,349 --> 02:23:04,200
six months and that's it it's over

3002
02:23:09,950 --> 02:23:06,359
um and then you have the six months of

3003
02:23:12,950 --> 02:23:09,960
Madness I mean it would be truly a

3004
02:23:16,929 --> 02:23:12,960
really bad experience over the you know

3005
02:23:19,849 --> 02:23:16,939
that six month period so what do you do

3006
02:23:22,730 --> 02:23:19,859
and that's I think that that is a

3007
02:23:25,370 --> 02:23:22,740
position like I said nobody would really

3008
02:23:27,650 --> 02:23:25,380
want to be that person you know nobody

3009
02:23:29,929 --> 02:23:27,660
nobody really would and that's one of

3010
02:23:33,710 --> 02:23:29,939
the things that I thought that don't

3011
02:23:35,389 --> 02:23:33,720
look up uh as funny as the movie was

3012
02:23:39,530 --> 02:23:35,399
um I think it was a really hard look at

3013
02:23:41,389 --> 02:23:39,540
Society it was it was like you know what

3014
02:23:44,929 --> 02:23:41,399
um what was the you know I've seen the

3015
02:23:46,610 --> 02:23:44,939
enemy and he is us right and or it's

3016
02:23:49,250 --> 02:23:46,620
hard to laugh at yourself whatever it is

3017
02:23:51,170 --> 02:23:49,260
right you can look at any way uh you

3018
02:23:53,570 --> 02:23:51,180
want with don't look up but it was a

3019
02:23:55,490 --> 02:23:53,580
hard look at society and the way that we

3020
02:23:59,630 --> 02:23:55,500
perceive ourselves and how something

3021
02:24:00,590 --> 02:23:59,640
like this would be dealt with and I I

3022
02:24:05,270 --> 02:24:00,600
don't know

3023
02:24:07,790 --> 02:24:05,280
is preventable we could say billions of

3024
02:24:09,590 --> 02:24:07,800
lives if we stop it there's you know

3025
02:24:10,969 --> 02:24:09,600
tons of methane under the ocean if it's

3026
02:24:13,790 --> 02:24:10,979
too warm that stuff comes out we're

3027
02:24:16,309 --> 02:24:13,800
doomed but also the major gas that's

3028
02:24:18,290 --> 02:24:16,319
warming us isn't carbon dioxide it's

3029
02:24:19,790 --> 02:24:18,300
still messing there's a conspiracy

3030
02:24:20,929 --> 02:24:19,800
around this they compare it over a

3031
02:24:22,429 --> 02:24:20,939
hundred year period instead of a

3032
02:24:24,950 --> 02:24:22,439
one-year period in a one year period

3033
02:24:27,230 --> 02:24:24,960
it's like probably 98 and the warming is

3034
02:24:29,929 --> 02:24:27,240
from methane and it's some of the clues

3035
02:24:32,389 --> 02:24:29,939
that how the lady talked to uh Chris

3036
02:24:34,370 --> 02:24:32,399
Bledsoe she she appeared as a bowl once

3037
02:24:35,990 --> 02:24:34,380
and they heard mooing outside and cows

3038
02:24:39,230 --> 02:24:36,000
are like

3039
02:24:41,750 --> 02:24:39,240
um 14 almost 14 of the methane that's in

3040
02:24:43,790 --> 02:24:41,760
the atmosphere probably with bacteria in

3041
02:24:46,790 --> 02:24:43,800
their guts we could solve a lot of it

3042
02:24:48,770 --> 02:24:46,800
and lower it enough to to delay it so

3043
02:24:50,750 --> 02:24:48,780
that it will no longer be along the uh

3044
02:24:53,030 --> 02:24:50,760
timeline of

3045
02:24:57,050 --> 02:24:53,040
The Book of Revelation yeah and that

3046
02:25:00,110 --> 02:24:57,060
should be enough yeah it's okay except

3047
02:25:01,730 --> 02:25:00,120
and and I appreciate that but here's the

3048
02:25:04,309 --> 02:25:01,740
deal

3049
02:25:06,770 --> 02:25:04,319
you're never going to be in control of

3050
02:25:10,250 --> 02:25:06,780
Mother Nature you're never going to be

3051
02:25:13,490 --> 02:25:10,260
in control of celestial and and Cosmic

3052
02:25:14,770 --> 02:25:13,500
events you you just are not you're not

3053
02:25:18,730 --> 02:25:14,780
going to be okay

3054
02:25:21,889 --> 02:25:18,740
yeah if you can't stop an impact

3055
02:25:25,309 --> 02:25:21,899
warnings Lafayette let me finish always

3056
02:25:28,070 --> 02:25:25,319
remember whose show this is okay all

3057
02:25:31,429 --> 02:25:28,080
right you can't control an EMF

3058
02:25:32,690 --> 02:25:31,439
you can't control yeah yeah Lafayette

3059
02:25:35,570 --> 02:25:32,700
let me finish

3060
02:25:37,670 --> 02:25:35,580
okay you can't control these things you

3061
02:25:41,690 --> 02:25:37,680
can't control earthquakes you're not

3062
02:25:44,630 --> 02:25:41,700
going to control a methane verb and uh I

3063
02:25:47,710 --> 02:25:44,640
think that dinosaurs uh have a lot to

3064
02:25:52,130 --> 02:25:47,720
say about this right that overnight

3065
02:25:55,250 --> 02:25:52,140
overnight and if uh and this is the

3066
02:25:59,410 --> 02:25:55,260
cyclical thing that we're always going

3067
02:26:04,490 --> 02:25:59,420
to go through and so when

3068
02:26:08,090 --> 02:26:04,500
if if 65 million years ago if that

3069
02:26:10,070 --> 02:26:08,100
asteroid doesn't impact Earth in the

3070
02:26:13,370 --> 02:26:10,080
Gulf of Mexico

3071
02:26:15,950 --> 02:26:13,380
there is no you

3072
02:26:18,010 --> 02:26:15,960
there's no you there you do you right

3073
02:26:23,710 --> 02:26:18,020
that is the other side of it you will

3074
02:26:27,050 --> 02:26:23,720
you Humanity the internet right Twitter

3075
02:26:30,790 --> 02:26:27,060
would never had existed

3076
02:26:35,330 --> 02:26:30,800
so this is part of the cyclical thing

3077
02:26:37,150 --> 02:26:35,340
now uh would if if that if that impact

3078
02:26:41,270 --> 02:26:37,160
hadn't happened

3079
02:26:43,429 --> 02:26:41,280
65 million years later are are the

3080
02:26:45,410 --> 02:26:43,439
dinosaurs building radio telescopes and

3081
02:26:47,809 --> 02:26:45,420
reaching out to the heavens I don't know

3082
02:26:52,010 --> 02:26:47,819
I don't know possible anything is

3083
02:26:55,610 --> 02:26:52,020
possible or does ET uh cruise by this

3084
02:26:59,690 --> 02:26:55,620
planet and just see brontosaurus right

3085
02:27:02,210 --> 02:26:59,700
and and and there's no humans and that's

3086
02:27:04,910 --> 02:27:02,220
what is existing on this planet and do

3087
02:27:07,790 --> 02:27:04,920
they consider that intelligent life

3088
02:27:11,630 --> 02:27:07,800
right and our planet has gone through

3089
02:27:14,750 --> 02:27:11,640
that five times maybe six

3090
02:27:17,570 --> 02:27:14,760
right where everything everything on

3091
02:27:20,809 --> 02:27:17,580
this planet was wiped out the

3092
02:27:24,230 --> 02:27:20,819
um atmospheric conditions 65 million

3093
02:27:27,530 --> 02:27:24,240
years ago it was full of methane

3094
02:27:30,469 --> 02:27:27,540
those dinosaurs were fart machines

3095
02:27:33,610 --> 02:27:30,479
right and it was a different it was a

3096
02:27:37,070 --> 02:27:33,620
different climate and so humans

3097
02:27:38,389 --> 02:27:37,080
wouldn't have existed it was a different

3098
02:27:42,849 --> 02:27:38,399
atmosphere

3099
02:27:46,429 --> 02:27:42,859
and that that impact from that asteroid

3100
02:27:49,429 --> 02:27:46,439
changed the atmosphere

3101
02:27:51,770 --> 02:27:49,439
and that it's it's just a crazy thing

3102
02:27:53,870 --> 02:27:51,780
you are not ever going to stop nature

3103
02:27:56,170 --> 02:27:53,880
it's going to do its thing whatever it

3104
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:56,180
is whether it's Celestial it's Cosmic

3105
02:28:03,830 --> 02:27:59,040
it's uh it's something internal here

3106
02:28:06,170 --> 02:28:03,840
it's it's the the continents shifting uh

3107
02:28:11,110 --> 02:28:06,180
any Anything could happen anything could

3108
02:28:13,550 --> 02:28:11,120
happen the uh the other part okay uh

3109
02:28:17,090 --> 02:28:13,560
Mars ended

3110
02:28:20,870 --> 02:28:17,100
all right a couple of things happened

3111
02:28:23,630 --> 02:28:20,880
um and it's all theoretical but one of

3112
02:28:27,670 --> 02:28:23,640
the things uh that is suggested that

3113
02:28:30,530 --> 02:28:27,680
this gnarly EMF came through solar storm

3114
02:28:33,950 --> 02:28:30,540
blasted the atmosphere

3115
02:28:35,110 --> 02:28:33,960
off of Mars and into space

3116
02:28:40,190 --> 02:28:35,120
okay

3117
02:28:42,889 --> 02:28:40,200
and uh immediately all of the oceans and

3118
02:28:46,550 --> 02:28:42,899
all of the water on Mars evaporated and

3119
02:28:48,290 --> 02:28:46,560
it was gone instantly gone temperatures

3120
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:48,300
raised there's no atmosphere there's

3121
02:28:53,929 --> 02:28:51,600
nothing to keep liquid inside like we do

3122
02:28:55,429 --> 02:28:53,939
here right thunderstorms all of that

3123
02:28:59,389 --> 02:28:55,439
left

3124
02:29:02,750 --> 02:28:59,399
then the planet cooled the core went

3125
02:29:05,030 --> 02:29:02,760
solid it stopped they had no magnetic

3126
02:29:07,070 --> 02:29:05,040
Shield they had no atmosphere they've

3127
02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:07,080
now got a solid core we've got a molten

3128
02:29:10,730 --> 02:29:19,450
[Music]

3129
02:29:26,809 --> 02:29:24,190
the planet went solid it went solid now

3130
02:29:29,650 --> 02:29:26,819
what if that happened here

3131
02:29:32,889 --> 02:29:29,660
what I mean just

3132
02:29:36,530 --> 02:29:32,899
the burp happens off of the sun

3133
02:29:38,030 --> 02:29:36,540
and the solar storm hits and and you

3134
02:29:40,610 --> 02:29:38,040
wake up

3135
02:29:43,309 --> 02:29:40,620
to no atmosphere

3136
02:29:44,630 --> 02:29:43,319
that's it that's it it's over

3137
02:29:47,809 --> 02:29:44,640
it's over

3138
02:29:50,510 --> 02:29:47,819
so you you can't control nature you're

3139
02:29:53,990 --> 02:29:50,520
just not going to be able to do it and

3140
02:29:55,550 --> 02:29:54,000
if you have anything uh that would

3141
02:29:57,230 --> 02:29:55,560
indicate something like that happening

3142
02:29:59,690 --> 02:29:57,240
do you want to be the person to talk

3143
02:30:01,390 --> 02:29:59,700
about it now

3144
02:30:04,490 --> 02:30:01,400
oh

3145
02:30:07,010 --> 02:30:04,500
[Music]

3146
02:30:09,130 --> 02:30:07,020
you don't you don't you just want to

3147
02:30:11,870 --> 02:30:09,140
hang out it is stoppable by just

3148
02:30:13,429 --> 02:30:11,880
probable by just cutting the message you

3149
02:30:14,990 --> 02:30:13,439
would hang out with your kids and your

3150
02:30:17,690 --> 02:30:15,000
dogs

3151
02:30:19,370 --> 02:30:17,700
until the comment arrives Lafayette

3152
02:30:20,990 --> 02:30:19,380
enjoy your night man we'll see you

3153
02:30:22,490 --> 02:30:21,000
tomorrow on the show for Saturday night

3154
02:30:25,130 --> 02:30:22,500
thanks Jimmy

3155
02:30:28,910 --> 02:30:25,140
have a great night it's time to fade to

3156
02:30:30,290 --> 02:30:28,920
black go back Lee tappy all right this

3157
02:30:32,630 --> 02:30:30,300
is Fade to Black I'm your host Jimmy

3158
02:30:34,990 --> 02:30:32,640
Church gonna take a quick break I've got

3159
02:30:38,469 --> 02:30:35,000
open lines going on

3160
02:30:42,469 --> 02:30:40,790
323-275-9695 I'll be right back with

3161
02:30:45,320 --> 02:30:42,479
more of your phone calls right after

3162
02:30:51,590 --> 02:30:45,330
this break stay with us

3163
02:30:54,050 --> 02:30:52,910
thank you

3164
02:31:06,140 --> 02:30:54,060
foreign

3165
02:31:07,430 --> 02:31:06,150
[Music]

3166
02:31:25,510 --> 02:31:07,440
[Applause]

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3257
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3258
02:35:48,170 --> 02:35:46,260
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3259
02:35:53,500 --> 02:35:48,180
born this way

3260
02:36:09,770 --> 02:36:04,320
[Music]

3261
02:36:11,389 --> 02:36:09,780
Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

3262
02:36:14,090 --> 02:36:11,399
host Jimmy Church open lines right now

3263
02:36:17,090 --> 02:36:14,100
eight two one eight eight one eight nine

3264
02:36:20,929 --> 02:36:17,100
two one six nine two nine or three two

3265
02:36:23,990 --> 02:36:20,939
three two seven five nine six nine five

3266
02:36:27,349 --> 02:36:24,000
um what would you do

3267
02:36:29,570 --> 02:36:27,359
right you got six months

3268
02:36:30,830 --> 02:36:29,580
right and and they let the news out what

3269
02:36:38,210 --> 02:36:30,840
do you do

3270
02:36:41,030 --> 02:36:38,220
that's a that's a great question and uh

3271
02:36:46,010 --> 02:36:43,370
he spend it happy

3272
02:36:49,190 --> 02:36:46,020
no matter what but you know what I I

3273
02:36:52,070 --> 02:36:49,200
think you just act normally

3274
02:36:54,349 --> 02:36:52,080
it'd be difficult to do

3275
02:36:57,650 --> 02:36:54,359
Maybe

3276
02:37:01,490 --> 02:36:57,660
or maybe instincts will will kick in and

3277
02:37:03,230 --> 02:37:01,500
you will you you know your brain is not

3278
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:03,240
going to allow you

3279
02:37:08,349 --> 02:37:06,000
uh to Panic or freak out

3280
02:37:14,270 --> 02:37:08,359
that you are just going to live normally

3281
02:37:18,830 --> 02:37:14,280
and the the ending of uh don't look up

3282
02:37:20,809 --> 02:37:18,840
was Adam McKay handled this so well and

3283
02:37:25,969 --> 02:37:20,819
so you had DiCaprio and Jennifer

3284
02:37:27,170 --> 02:37:25,979
Lawrence and and uh everybody uh having

3285
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:27,180
a dinner

3286
02:37:34,429 --> 02:37:31,439
at uh DiCaprio's house and they know I

3287
02:37:36,250 --> 02:37:34,439
mean that's it it's happening that night

3288
02:37:39,590 --> 02:37:36,260
during dinner

3289
02:37:41,450 --> 02:37:39,600
and they just have

3290
02:37:44,570 --> 02:37:41,460
a dinner

3291
02:37:48,050 --> 02:37:44,580
and and they are just having a norm and

3292
02:37:50,690 --> 02:37:48,060
and to project this correctly I want to

3293
02:37:53,809 --> 02:37:50,700
point this out of all things

3294
02:37:57,830 --> 02:37:53,819
they start talking about coffee

3295
02:38:01,550 --> 02:37:57,840
and somebody goes you know uh wow um

3296
02:38:05,750 --> 02:38:01,560
foreign this must be Fade to Black blend

3297
02:38:07,190 --> 02:38:05,760
DiCaprio goes it is and uh I grind my

3298
02:38:10,429 --> 02:38:07,200
own beans

3299
02:38:13,070 --> 02:38:10,439
and and the house is shaking

3300
02:38:15,650 --> 02:38:13,080
right the lights are going out it's it

3301
02:38:18,230 --> 02:38:15,660
the comet impact has happened

3302
02:38:20,110 --> 02:38:18,240
and that's it

3303
02:38:23,389 --> 02:38:20,120
and they're talking about

3304
02:38:25,210 --> 02:38:23,399
grinding beans

3305
02:38:27,590 --> 02:38:25,220
and and coffee

3306
02:38:30,230 --> 02:38:27,600
and somebody said you know this apple

3307
02:38:34,130 --> 02:38:30,240
pie and and

3308
02:38:37,010 --> 02:38:34,140
um uh the profile the uh the the guy

3309
02:38:39,889 --> 02:38:37,020
from NASA the the space Protection

3310
02:38:41,090 --> 02:38:39,899
Agency or whatever it was called says I

3311
02:38:43,250 --> 02:38:41,100
prefer

3312
02:38:46,730 --> 02:38:43,260
frozen apple pie

3313
02:38:48,050 --> 02:38:46,740
instead of fresh oh yeah interesting and

3314
02:38:50,690 --> 02:38:48,060
the house is

3315
02:38:54,309 --> 02:38:50,700
you know and and the end is near

3316
02:38:58,190 --> 02:38:54,319
but that's how Adam McKay

3317
02:39:00,170 --> 02:38:58,200
chose to project this and I think that

3318
02:39:02,630 --> 02:39:00,180
that is actually pretty close I mean

3319
02:39:06,050 --> 02:39:02,640
that's how I would you know would I want

3320
02:39:09,230 --> 02:39:06,060
to be screaming or or freaking out you

3321
02:39:10,130 --> 02:39:09,240
know and and not to say that any of this

3322
02:39:16,070 --> 02:39:10,140
is

3323
02:39:19,969 --> 02:39:16,080
one of the things with uh don't look

3324
02:39:24,530 --> 02:39:19,979
back for me was that approach to it and

3325
02:39:28,670 --> 02:39:24,540
the look at society and us and the media

3326
02:39:32,570 --> 02:39:28,680
and and politics and it was it was a

3327
02:39:35,030 --> 02:39:32,580
hard look at us in that movie uh dealt

3328
02:39:37,550 --> 02:39:35,040
and for the most part in a pretty funny

3329
02:39:41,469 --> 02:39:37,560
way but we have to laugh at ourselves

3330
02:39:46,070 --> 02:39:41,479
and it was so close to reality

3331
02:39:47,450 --> 02:39:46,080
that uh for me I felt like and I keep

3332
02:39:49,250 --> 02:39:47,460
saying this uh you know about different

3333
02:39:50,450 --> 02:39:49,260
movies but I felt like I was watching a

3334
02:39:54,290 --> 02:39:50,460
documentary

3335
02:39:58,250 --> 02:39:54,300
I really did and now it's gotten to the

3336
02:40:00,290 --> 02:39:58,260
point where uh for me uh because I watch

3337
02:40:03,830 --> 02:40:00,300
so much media

3338
02:40:07,030 --> 02:40:03,840
I watched don't look up all the time I

3339
02:40:10,790 --> 02:40:07,040
do I'll be working

3340
02:40:12,410 --> 02:40:10,800
uh it could be the weekend and and I'm

3341
02:40:13,730 --> 02:40:12,420
just at that moment

3342
02:40:18,769 --> 02:40:13,740
and

3343
02:40:20,210 --> 02:40:18,779
movie in a long time I I do that with

3344
02:40:23,570 --> 02:40:20,220
three movies

3345
02:40:25,730 --> 02:40:23,580
well now it's don't look up but uh 2001

3346
02:40:27,830 --> 02:40:25,740
A Space Odyssey I go back to it all the

3347
02:40:30,410 --> 02:40:27,840
time and Close Encounters of of the

3348
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:30,420
Third Kind I watch it all the time I

3349
02:40:36,170 --> 02:40:32,880
mean like all the time I used to be that

3350
02:40:38,570 --> 02:40:36,180
way with the Godfather but um I mean all

3351
02:40:42,710 --> 02:40:38,580
the time I watch Close Encounters

3352
02:40:45,590 --> 02:40:42,720
probably twice a month uh 2001 probably

3353
02:40:48,290 --> 02:40:45,600
once a month uh right now don't look up

3354
02:40:51,410 --> 02:40:48,300
probably 15 times a month if I can go

3355
02:40:54,910 --> 02:40:51,420
back and and watch that movie and I'll

3356
02:40:59,450 --> 02:40:54,920
watch it uh from uh beginning to end

3357
02:41:00,650 --> 02:40:59,460
because the ending of the movie is so

3358
02:41:03,290 --> 02:41:00,660
well done

3359
02:41:06,769 --> 02:41:03,300
and I was watching some of the comments

3360
02:41:08,030 --> 02:41:06,779
uh let me flip back to it I was watching

3361
02:41:10,610 --> 02:41:08,040
some of the comments oh it might have

3362
02:41:12,230 --> 02:41:10,620
been in Twitter uh somebody said yeah

3363
02:41:13,550 --> 02:41:12,240
six months

3364
02:41:15,769 --> 02:41:13,560
okay

3365
02:41:20,510 --> 02:41:15,779
somebody said I would I would I would

3366
02:41:24,070 --> 02:41:20,520
rent an excavator and uh bury an RV uh

3367
02:41:28,550 --> 02:41:24,080
not a bad idea actually you never know

3368
02:41:32,389 --> 02:41:28,560
uh you just you just never know

3369
02:41:35,630 --> 02:41:32,399
um but uh would would you prepare would

3370
02:41:37,910 --> 02:41:35,640
there be a reason to prep yeah yeah you

3371
02:41:40,610 --> 02:41:37,920
never know you want to play the odds you

3372
02:41:43,370 --> 02:41:40,620
want to play the long game and maybe you

3373
02:41:48,590 --> 02:41:43,380
should do a certified a certain amount

3374
02:41:50,510 --> 02:41:48,600
of of prepping uh yeah yeah I don't know

3375
02:41:54,410 --> 02:41:50,520
um I would definitely want to make sure

3376
02:41:57,110 --> 02:41:54,420
I have my Thunderbird or my thunderstorm

3377
02:41:59,450 --> 02:41:57,120
um I was sitting here uh during the

3378
02:42:01,790 --> 02:41:59,460
break I didn't even talk about the

3379
02:42:03,769 --> 02:42:01,800
thunderstorm tonight and during the

3380
02:42:06,590 --> 02:42:03,779
break I was just sitting here

3381
02:42:08,389 --> 02:42:06,600
smelling it and I think that the end was

3382
02:42:11,269 --> 02:42:08,399
near I'd want to make sure that these

3383
02:42:13,790 --> 02:42:11,279
were humming along so I could go out the

3384
02:42:16,010 --> 02:42:13,800
right way if you haven't gotten your

3385
02:42:17,750 --> 02:42:16,020
thunder a thunderstorm yet uh you've got

3386
02:42:20,389 --> 02:42:17,760
to check it out

3387
02:42:21,769 --> 02:42:20,399
um Don't Look Back was a Boston song uh

3388
02:42:23,510 --> 02:42:21,779
coming in from Sherman how you doing

3389
02:42:28,550 --> 02:42:23,520
Sherman

3390
02:42:31,130 --> 02:42:28,560
um uh alien baby in the end of the movie

3391
02:42:36,070 --> 02:42:31,140
what movie was that

3392
02:42:38,710 --> 02:42:36,080
uh

3393
02:42:41,990 --> 02:42:38,720
818-921-6929 or

3394
02:42:46,250 --> 02:42:42,000
323-275-9695 and now I want to go back

3395
02:42:48,050 --> 02:42:46,260
and and and talk about it I

3396
02:42:49,070 --> 02:42:48,060
uh maybe I won't have time for phone

3397
02:42:51,610 --> 02:42:49,080
calls

3398
02:42:58,969 --> 02:42:51,620
I watch a lot of Science Fiction

3399
02:43:01,730 --> 02:42:58,979
and uh there is a a very cool thing that

3400
02:43:03,170 --> 02:43:01,740
has gone on for for probably the last

3401
02:43:07,910 --> 02:43:03,180
two or three years now I'm not talking

3402
02:43:10,730 --> 02:43:07,920
about Star Trek since 1968. there is a

3403
02:43:12,010 --> 02:43:10,740
lot of really good science fiction TV

3404
02:43:16,490 --> 02:43:12,020
series on

3405
02:43:19,070 --> 02:43:16,500
and uh there are many Fantastic movies

3406
02:43:21,830 --> 02:43:19,080
uh that that have come out now I

3407
02:43:23,150 --> 02:43:21,840
mentioned two uh early on tonight and

3408
02:43:25,490 --> 02:43:23,160
one of them you know everything

3409
02:43:28,309 --> 02:43:25,500
everywhere all at once there was a lot

3410
02:43:31,250 --> 02:43:28,319
of of hype behind this movie and I was

3411
02:43:32,929 --> 02:43:31,260
reading the reactions to everybody you

3412
02:43:35,030 --> 02:43:32,939
know saying that it was perfect it was a

3413
02:43:37,670 --> 02:43:35,040
perfect movie and and so well done I was

3414
02:43:39,590 --> 02:43:37,680
uh I had pretty high expectations the

3415
02:43:41,170 --> 02:43:39,600
movie didn't let me down at all but the

3416
02:43:44,210 --> 02:43:41,180
but that

3417
02:43:47,929 --> 02:43:44,220
it's about the Multiverse

3418
02:43:49,570 --> 02:43:47,939
right and now I finished uh Dr Strange

3419
02:43:53,330 --> 02:43:49,580
last night

3420
02:43:56,210 --> 02:43:53,340
uh I've watched it twice but I watched

3421
02:43:58,010 --> 02:43:56,220
it in halves and and I finally got to

3422
02:44:00,469 --> 02:43:58,020
the end last night it was an excellent

3423
02:44:04,670 --> 02:44:00,479
ending in that but again about the

3424
02:44:07,070 --> 02:44:04,680
Multiverse right Multiverse Madness and

3425
02:44:10,070 --> 02:44:07,080
um and when we think about what has been

3426
02:44:13,790 --> 02:44:10,080
released in in the last year when it

3427
02:44:17,330 --> 02:44:13,800
comes to films and and science fiction

3428
02:44:19,870 --> 02:44:17,340
it's all there but if we like go and

3429
02:44:23,750 --> 02:44:19,880
pick all of this stuff apart

3430
02:44:26,870 --> 02:44:23,760
what is outer range about

3431
02:44:28,070 --> 02:44:26,880
what what is it about it's about the

3432
02:44:30,230 --> 02:44:28,080
Multiverse

3433
02:44:33,250 --> 02:44:30,240
right

3434
02:44:36,349 --> 02:44:33,260
um uh the

3435
02:44:38,510 --> 02:44:36,359
oh the the name of it just escaped me

3436
02:44:41,889 --> 02:44:38,520
right now

3437
02:44:44,630 --> 02:44:41,899
um uh uh oh man edge of night

3438
02:44:46,550 --> 02:44:44,640
uh I just can't remember the series on

3439
02:44:50,510 --> 02:44:46,560
Showtime

3440
02:44:53,210 --> 02:44:50,520
um about uh a portal entrance underneath

3441
02:44:55,849 --> 02:44:53,220
you know someone's home and being able

3442
02:44:57,590 --> 02:44:55,859
to walk through the door and go onto

3443
02:45:00,590 --> 02:44:57,600
another planet

3444
02:45:02,870 --> 02:45:00,600
right well this is a this is a a

3445
02:45:06,170 --> 02:45:02,880
successful series

3446
02:45:08,630 --> 02:45:06,180
um we have right now uh For All Mankind

3447
02:45:10,670 --> 02:45:08,640
and if you haven't watched For All

3448
02:45:14,090 --> 02:45:10,680
Mankind somebody asked me a couple of

3449
02:45:17,690 --> 02:45:14,100
weeks ago uh for a list of uh science

3450
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:17,700
fiction to binge on and and you know and

3451
02:45:24,230 --> 02:45:19,920
I popped that it was pretty quick too 10

3452
02:45:27,530 --> 02:45:24,240
10 series and I left out uh For All

3453
02:45:29,809 --> 02:45:27,540
Mankind and if you haven't watched it

3454
02:45:32,510 --> 02:45:29,819
yet it's on Apple TV if you haven't

3455
02:45:34,370 --> 02:45:32,520
watched For All Mankind you really need

3456
02:45:37,130 --> 02:45:34,380
to go and check this out it's a an

3457
02:45:39,050 --> 02:45:37,140
alternate history

3458
02:45:41,330 --> 02:45:39,060
um series

3459
02:45:45,530 --> 02:45:41,340
um which again I'm going to go back to

3460
02:45:48,889 --> 02:45:45,540
the Multiverse because the and I see

3461
02:45:52,429 --> 02:45:48,899
this now it's like the Multiverse is the

3462
02:45:54,410 --> 02:45:52,439
subject in everything that is being

3463
02:45:57,130 --> 02:45:54,420
watched right now

3464
02:46:01,910 --> 02:45:57,140
and so For All Mankind

3465
02:46:07,370 --> 02:46:01,920
suggest a different Space Race that we

3466
02:46:10,670 --> 02:46:07,380
went to Mars in in in 1992 and it was a

3467
02:46:15,349 --> 02:46:10,680
race uh uh with the Chinese the Russians

3468
02:46:17,990 --> 02:46:15,359
and then Elon Musk type of character

3469
02:46:19,570 --> 02:46:18,000
um in the United States so it was uh

3470
02:46:24,110 --> 02:46:19,580
four different

3471
02:46:25,030 --> 02:46:24,120
uh uh competitors uh to get to Mars at

3472
02:46:29,450 --> 02:46:25,040
the same time

3473
02:46:31,370 --> 02:46:29,460
Watch For All Mankind is it a Multiverse

3474
02:46:35,210 --> 02:46:31,380
show

3475
02:46:37,070 --> 02:46:35,220
so this is my suggestion uh to all of

3476
02:46:40,490 --> 02:46:37,080
this and this is I didn't have the time

3477
02:46:44,389 --> 02:46:42,290
physicists have been talking about this

3478
02:46:47,750 --> 02:46:44,399
for for a while now

3479
02:46:50,690 --> 02:46:47,760
and there are different versions of the

3480
02:46:52,490 --> 02:46:50,700
Multiverse there are uh just a

3481
02:46:55,070 --> 02:46:52,500
conventional idea that there are

3482
02:46:58,370 --> 02:46:55,080
different universes going on at the same

3483
02:47:00,889 --> 02:46:58,380
time and that's it right not concerned

3484
02:47:05,570 --> 02:47:00,899
about it but that we are not the only

3485
02:47:09,010 --> 02:47:05,580
Universe okay there's that then there is

3486
02:47:11,469 --> 02:47:09,020
the science fiction version of this

3487
02:47:13,670 --> 02:47:11,479
uh to travel

3488
02:47:15,410 --> 02:47:13,680
to another

3489
02:47:18,830 --> 02:47:15,420
universe

3490
02:47:20,330 --> 02:47:18,840
and experience a different version of

3491
02:47:24,469 --> 02:47:20,340
yourself

3492
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:24,479
now that's exactly what uh everything

3493
02:47:29,750 --> 02:47:26,640
everywhere all at once is about it's

3494
02:47:31,429 --> 02:47:29,760
exactly what Doctor Strange Multiverse

3495
02:47:33,170 --> 02:47:31,439
Madness is about

3496
02:47:35,290 --> 02:47:33,180
and

3497
02:47:38,990 --> 02:47:35,300
um

3498
02:47:42,010 --> 02:47:39,000
is there just go with me on this

3499
02:47:46,550 --> 02:47:42,020
is there something going on

3500
02:47:51,830 --> 02:47:46,560
with with science and things where

3501
02:47:56,389 --> 02:47:53,809
is there something going on we're

3502
02:48:00,050 --> 02:47:56,399
talking about ET visiting here

3503
02:48:01,969 --> 02:48:00,060
we're talking about channeling

3504
02:48:03,830 --> 02:48:01,979
we're talking about traveling the

3505
02:48:07,670 --> 02:48:03,840
vastness of space

3506
02:48:10,849 --> 02:48:07,680
uh we're talking about and it's it's

3507
02:48:12,769 --> 02:48:10,859
being pushed so if we go back right now

3508
02:48:15,650 --> 02:48:12,779
it's the Multiverse and the Multiverse

3509
02:48:17,150 --> 02:48:15,660
is everywhere and it's a subject I had

3510
02:48:20,210 --> 02:48:17,160
somebody come up

3511
02:48:24,590 --> 02:48:20,220
or a CEO of a corporation

3512
02:48:27,230 --> 02:48:24,600
and uh came up to me uh at uh disclosure

3513
02:48:34,610 --> 02:48:32,389
and said I am all about the Multiverse

3514
02:48:37,610 --> 02:48:34,620
it's like wait a minute what

3515
02:48:39,650 --> 02:48:37,620
you're the CEO of what

3516
02:48:43,190 --> 02:48:39,660
and and what

3517
02:48:45,170 --> 02:48:43,200
this this was just blurted as like I

3518
02:48:47,929 --> 02:48:45,180
can't get away from the Multiverse what

3519
02:48:49,450 --> 02:48:47,939
is going on so if we back up and we

3520
02:48:54,349 --> 02:48:49,460
think about

3521
02:48:55,750 --> 02:48:54,359
what uh science fiction was about over

3522
02:48:58,250 --> 02:48:55,760
the years

3523
02:49:00,190 --> 02:48:58,260
and forever

3524
02:49:02,809 --> 02:49:00,200
it was about

3525
02:49:04,370 --> 02:49:02,819
going to the Moon

3526
02:49:06,950 --> 02:49:04,380
that's it

3527
02:49:08,389 --> 02:49:06,960
right and and fantasizing about that and

3528
02:49:10,490 --> 02:49:08,399
talking about that and going to the moon

3529
02:49:12,590 --> 02:49:10,500
and different approaches to it and and

3530
02:49:14,990 --> 02:49:12,600
how it would be done and what we would

3531
02:49:18,469 --> 02:49:15,000
see when we get there and everything was

3532
02:49:25,190 --> 02:49:21,230
we went to the Moon

3533
02:49:27,290 --> 02:49:25,200
so once that is done

3534
02:49:29,330 --> 02:49:27,300
you can't write about it anymore what

3535
02:49:32,769 --> 02:49:29,340
why would you do a Moon movie today

3536
02:49:36,250 --> 02:49:32,779
unless you do Moon fall another example

3537
02:49:39,530 --> 02:49:36,260
right now think about that for a second

3538
02:49:43,670 --> 02:49:39,540
and these other versions of Science

3539
02:49:46,929 --> 02:49:43,680
Fiction that have been written about uh

3540
02:49:48,670 --> 02:49:46,939
satellites in space telecommunication uh

3541
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:48,680
teleportation

3542
02:49:53,889 --> 02:49:52,800
uh these different everything came to

3543
02:49:57,530 --> 02:49:53,899
pass

3544
02:50:00,290 --> 02:49:57,540
now the conversation is

3545
02:50:03,170 --> 02:50:00,300
the Multiverse and time travel

3546
02:50:07,010 --> 02:50:03,180
is that what is next

3547
02:50:07,969 --> 02:50:07,020
and I would suggest that this is the

3548
02:50:10,730 --> 02:50:07,979
case

3549
02:50:12,650 --> 02:50:10,740
and the only reason why well there's

3550
02:50:14,330 --> 02:50:12,660
many reasons but the main reason why is

3551
02:50:16,370 --> 02:50:14,340
because this is what physicists are

3552
02:50:19,610 --> 02:50:16,380
talking about now

3553
02:50:22,910 --> 02:50:19,620
and in a very hardcore sense the

3554
02:50:26,210 --> 02:50:22,920
Multiverse I'm fascinated with this I am

3555
02:50:29,450 --> 02:50:26,220
absolutely fascinated so

3556
02:50:31,070 --> 02:50:29,460
um the reason why I brought up uh uh Mad

3557
02:50:34,370 --> 02:50:31,080
God today

3558
02:50:35,590 --> 02:50:34,380
is I can't escape the Multiverse right

3559
02:50:38,809 --> 02:50:35,600
now

3560
02:50:42,889 --> 02:50:38,819
and and I'm and I'm reading a lot about

3561
02:50:46,250 --> 02:50:42,899
it and and uh in books and presentations

3562
02:50:48,349 --> 02:50:46,260
and and I try to find as many scientists

3563
02:50:50,210 --> 02:50:48,359
online that are talking about this and I

3564
02:50:53,690 --> 02:50:50,220
want to hear what they they have to say

3565
02:50:55,309 --> 02:50:53,700
about the Multiverse and it's it's taken

3566
02:50:59,450 --> 02:50:55,319
over my world

3567
02:51:05,330 --> 02:50:59,460
and so last night

3568
02:51:07,090 --> 02:51:05,340
as I started to watch Mad God

3569
02:51:10,910 --> 02:51:07,100
I thought to myself

3570
02:51:13,670 --> 02:51:10,920
this in a very strange way if you are

3571
02:51:16,910 --> 02:51:13,680
going to experience

3572
02:51:18,469 --> 02:51:16,920
the Multiverse you're not gonna it's not

3573
02:51:20,510 --> 02:51:18,479
gonna be anything that you can relate to

3574
02:51:22,490 --> 02:51:20,520
you're going to meet another version of

3575
02:51:24,110 --> 02:51:22,500
yourself that you can't relate to you're

3576
02:51:26,090 --> 02:51:24,120
going to go to another version of New

3577
02:51:28,550 --> 02:51:26,100
York City I'm just saying uh you know

3578
02:51:30,170 --> 02:51:28,560
I'm hypothesizing here but you're not

3579
02:51:33,530 --> 02:51:30,180
going to write you could yeah it kind of

3580
02:51:35,809 --> 02:51:33,540
feels like New York City but it's not

3581
02:51:39,050 --> 02:51:35,819
um or or whatever or you're going to go

3582
02:51:42,050 --> 02:51:39,060
to a completely alien planet and not

3583
02:51:46,070 --> 02:51:42,060
relate to anything so how do you escape

3584
02:51:48,469 --> 02:51:46,080
that how do you experience that if you

3585
02:51:50,990 --> 02:51:48,479
want to go and experience the Multiverse

3586
02:51:53,990 --> 02:51:51,000
right now and experience something that

3587
02:51:58,250 --> 02:51:54,000
you have never seen before in any

3588
02:52:00,349 --> 02:51:58,260
Concept in any way at all go and watch

3589
02:52:02,870 --> 02:52:00,359
Mad God

3590
02:52:04,490 --> 02:52:02,880
which is the reason for everything right

3591
02:52:05,690 --> 02:52:04,500
now in this conversation that I'm having

3592
02:52:08,150 --> 02:52:05,700
with you

3593
02:52:10,429 --> 02:52:08,160
it takes you

3594
02:52:12,830 --> 02:52:10,439
to a place

3595
02:52:14,570 --> 02:52:12,840
you've never experienced

3596
02:52:19,910 --> 02:52:14,580
any of it

3597
02:52:29,630 --> 02:52:27,170
um the the uh atmospheres and the uh the

3598
02:52:34,670 --> 02:52:29,640
creation of this visually you can't

3599
02:52:42,050 --> 02:52:37,910
you have no idea right and you go

3600
02:52:44,990 --> 02:52:42,060
through and it's just like one intense

3601
02:52:47,650 --> 02:52:45,000
seen after another and it's Relentless

3602
02:52:51,710 --> 02:52:47,660
and it doesn't stop from the beginning

3603
02:52:54,469 --> 02:52:51,720
to the end of the film and it's freaking

3604
02:52:58,429 --> 02:52:54,479
stop motion animation

3605
02:53:01,550 --> 02:52:58,439
it is so well done now

3606
02:53:04,550 --> 02:53:01,560
um I've given everybody the warnings

3607
02:53:05,870 --> 02:53:04,560
um about Mad God I think it's a

3608
02:53:08,929 --> 02:53:05,880
necessary thing I think everybody

3609
02:53:11,150 --> 02:53:08,939
certainly in this community uh in this

3610
02:53:13,130 --> 02:53:11,160
audience needs to watch this film but

3611
02:53:14,570 --> 02:53:13,140
I've given everybody the warnings it's

3612
02:53:18,410 --> 02:53:14,580
graphic

3613
02:53:19,730 --> 02:53:18,420
not all the time but but it is

3614
02:53:28,070 --> 02:53:19,740
it's

3615
02:53:30,230 --> 02:53:28,080
um but it is extremely satisfying

3616
02:53:32,750 --> 02:53:30,240
because you are being exposed to

3617
02:53:35,410 --> 02:53:32,760
something that you have no idea what's

3618
02:53:39,650 --> 02:53:35,420
coming next you can't relate to anything

3619
02:53:43,130 --> 02:53:39,660
and at points it's it's terrifying

3620
02:53:46,190 --> 02:53:43,140
um but it is a totally fun ride

3621
02:53:50,170 --> 02:53:46,200
that's that's it and and that's that's

3622
02:53:53,809 --> 02:53:50,180
part of uh uh a satisfying experience

3623
02:53:56,809 --> 02:53:53,819
when you uh when you when you watch a

3624
02:53:59,809 --> 02:53:56,819
film or you want to be immersed into

3625
02:54:01,429 --> 02:53:59,819
something you want all of that you want

3626
02:54:04,130 --> 02:54:01,439
to be on edge

3627
02:54:06,349 --> 02:54:04,140
you don't want to be comfortable and

3628
02:54:08,990 --> 02:54:06,359
this film does all of that it makes you

3629
02:54:12,290 --> 02:54:09,000
uncomfortable you can't stop watching it

3630
02:54:14,330 --> 02:54:12,300
you are absolutely wondering what is

3631
02:54:16,429 --> 02:54:14,340
going to happen next what door's going

3632
02:54:18,230 --> 02:54:16,439
to open what is going to be seen what is

3633
02:54:20,870 --> 02:54:18,240
going to be accomplished what is going

3634
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:20,880
on what's the mission what is happening

3635
02:54:28,790 --> 02:54:25,200
here and that is the Multiverse

3636
02:54:30,349 --> 02:54:28,800
and that film took me there it's

3637
02:54:33,349 --> 02:54:30,359
incredible but I've given you the

3638
02:54:37,730 --> 02:54:33,359
warnings there are there are spots in

3639
02:54:39,530 --> 02:54:37,740
this that are definitely uh

3640
02:54:42,710 --> 02:54:39,540
but it's fun

3641
02:54:45,650 --> 02:54:42,720
okay and it's it's it's definitely a

3642
02:54:48,469 --> 02:54:45,660
hundred percent uh for adults

3643
02:54:50,870 --> 02:54:48,479
this is the stuff that will freak out a

3644
02:54:53,630 --> 02:54:50,880
kid for the rest of their lives things

3645
02:54:57,050 --> 02:54:53,640
you do not you definitely want to be

3646
02:54:58,790 --> 02:54:57,060
over the age of 18 or 21 before uh even

3647
02:55:01,429 --> 02:54:58,800
considering watching this film you've

3648
02:55:04,370 --> 02:55:01,439
got to be prepared for it but um

3649
02:55:07,309 --> 02:55:04,380
tomorrow night is fader night so I hope

3650
02:55:08,110 --> 02:55:07,319
that and you can watch this free it's on

3651
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:08,120
Amazon

3652
02:55:17,510 --> 02:55:15,359
that tomorrow on the show uh will be

3653
02:55:19,969 --> 02:55:17,520
open lines online long I want to hear

3654
02:55:21,849 --> 02:55:19,979
from everybody about how this film

3655
02:55:25,910 --> 02:55:21,859
impacted you

3656
02:55:28,730 --> 02:55:25,920
and I I don't give uh suggestions and I

3657
02:55:32,330 --> 02:55:28,740
don't endorse things uh too often but

3658
02:55:36,590 --> 02:55:32,340
but when I do it's it's it's right there

3659
02:55:39,469 --> 02:55:36,600
and it's worth it so um and for me

3660
02:55:41,809 --> 02:55:39,479
um uh I've already started Mad God a

3661
02:55:44,990 --> 02:55:41,819
second time I had to just go back and

3662
02:55:48,830 --> 02:55:45,000
and and and watch it

3663
02:55:52,429 --> 02:55:48,840
um for me I did uh back to back to back

3664
02:55:56,030 --> 02:55:52,439
over uh two days I did everything uh

3665
02:55:59,330 --> 02:55:56,040
everywhere all at once I did uh Doctor

3666
02:56:02,269 --> 02:55:59,340
Strange Multiverse Madness and followed

3667
02:56:04,610 --> 02:56:02,279
it up with Mad God so hopefully you've

3668
02:56:06,730 --> 02:56:04,620
seen a doctor strange already you've

3669
02:56:09,950 --> 02:56:06,740
seen everything everywhere all at once

3670
02:56:11,330 --> 02:56:09,960
and now uh you need to go see Mad God

3671
02:56:13,730 --> 02:56:11,340
and I want to hear from everybody

3672
02:56:15,230 --> 02:56:13,740
tomorrow night to see what you think

3673
02:56:16,910 --> 02:56:15,240
about this

3674
02:56:18,410 --> 02:56:16,920
um there the other movie that I

3675
02:56:19,849 --> 02:56:18,420
mentioned earlier before I say good

3676
02:56:22,730 --> 02:56:19,859
night tonight

3677
02:56:26,450 --> 02:56:22,740
um it's hard to be a god

3678
02:56:28,630 --> 02:56:26,460
um that is Russian it is subtitled

3679
02:56:32,450 --> 02:56:28,640
um but uh

3680
02:56:35,630 --> 02:56:32,460
that is very similar

3681
02:56:38,210 --> 02:56:35,640
in its uncomfortable

3682
02:56:41,809 --> 02:56:38,220
um uh position that you take watching a

3683
02:56:45,790 --> 02:56:41,819
film that it's a difficult film to get

3684
02:56:49,309 --> 02:56:45,800
through it is about uh

3685
02:56:52,849 --> 02:56:49,319
uh explores astronauts from Earth

3686
02:56:54,010 --> 02:56:52,859
professors uh uh if they go to this

3687
02:56:58,969 --> 02:56:54,020
other planet

3688
02:57:01,250 --> 02:56:58,979
uh that is stuck in

3689
02:57:04,610 --> 02:57:01,260
um in their evolution phase like the

3690
02:57:07,550 --> 02:57:04,620
Dark Ages here so you have kingdoms and

3691
02:57:11,469 --> 02:57:07,560
kings and and things

3692
02:57:13,429 --> 02:57:11,479
um and so we go there to teach them

3693
02:57:17,330 --> 02:57:13,439
uh stuff

3694
02:57:19,969 --> 02:57:17,340
to advance their society and they want

3695
02:57:23,809 --> 02:57:19,979
nothing to do with that they are happy

3696
02:57:27,650 --> 02:57:23,819
where they are everybody disappears so

3697
02:57:31,269 --> 02:57:27,660
uh another party is Ascent of the planet

3698
02:57:35,030 --> 02:57:31,279
to rescue who was sent there

3699
02:57:38,570 --> 02:57:35,040
and that guy

3700
02:57:41,090 --> 02:57:38,580
um is treated like a god

3701
02:57:43,910 --> 02:57:41,100
and that's the name of the movie it's

3702
02:57:47,269 --> 02:57:43,920
hard to be a God and what he experiences

3703
02:57:51,170 --> 02:57:47,279
on this planet through his journey and

3704
02:57:54,070 --> 02:57:51,180
it's it's crazy town it's crazy so after

3705
02:57:56,690 --> 02:57:54,080
Mad God

3706
02:57:59,030 --> 02:57:56,700
it's hard to be a god it's funny that

3707
02:58:00,190 --> 02:57:59,040
God is in both of these uh titles of

3708
02:58:04,130 --> 02:58:00,200
these movies

3709
02:58:05,750 --> 02:58:04,140
and uh watch them and then maybe you'll

3710
02:58:08,809 --> 02:58:05,760
get a little bit

3711
02:58:11,090 --> 02:58:08,819
of what goes on inside of my head

3712
02:58:14,090 --> 02:58:11,100
all right I don't recommend stuff often

3713
02:58:16,190 --> 02:58:14,100
but when I do it's the good stuff all

3714
02:58:20,450 --> 02:58:16,200
right so with that I'm gonna get out of

3715
02:58:22,309 --> 02:58:20,460
here and uh uh prepare for fader night

3716
02:58:25,730 --> 02:58:22,319
tomorrow night I had a great show

3717
02:58:26,750 --> 02:58:25,740
earlier today uh with Christina Gomez we

3718
02:58:27,349 --> 02:58:26,760
did

3719
02:58:29,570 --> 02:58:27,359
um

3720
02:58:30,290 --> 02:58:29,580
uh the

3721
02:58:32,769 --> 02:58:30,300
um

3722
02:58:35,809 --> 02:58:32,779
uh

3723
02:58:38,389 --> 02:58:35,819
we did the the triangle in in

3724
02:58:40,370 --> 02:58:38,399
Massachusetts and and and I'm brain

3725
02:58:43,610 --> 02:58:40,380
freezing right now but we're gonna do

3726
02:58:44,990 --> 02:58:43,620
part two next week and that was a great

3727
02:58:47,450 --> 02:58:45,000
show today and I wanted to thank

3728
02:58:49,849 --> 02:58:47,460
Christina I forgot to do that earlier

3729
02:58:52,070 --> 02:58:49,859
tonight uh for that show earlier today

3730
02:58:55,490 --> 02:58:52,080
with that I'll see everybody tomorrow

3731
02:58:58,309 --> 02:58:55,500
night for fader night uh thanks for uh

3732
02:59:01,190 --> 02:58:58,319
everything thanks for being fate or not

3733
02:59:04,250 --> 02:59:01,200
and of course thank you to Ralph

3734
02:59:05,990 --> 02:59:04,260
Blumenthal absolutely lit it up today

3735
02:59:08,389 --> 02:59:06,000
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3736
02:59:10,190 --> 02:59:08,399
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3737
02:59:13,130 --> 02:59:10,200
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3738
02:59:15,730 --> 02:59:13,140
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3739
02:59:18,469 --> 02:59:15,740
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3740
02:59:20,389 --> 02:59:18,479
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3741
02:59:22,250 --> 02:59:20,399
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3742
02:59:25,550 --> 02:59:22,260
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3743
02:59:27,830 --> 02:59:25,560
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3744
02:59:29,990 --> 02:59:27,840
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3745
02:59:31,849 --> 02:59:30,000
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3746
02:59:33,650 --> 02:59:31,859
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3747
02:59:35,450 --> 02:59:33,660
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3748
02:59:37,429 --> 02:59:35,460
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3749
02:59:40,309 --> 02:59:37,439
church tomorrow night is fader night

3750
02:59:41,750 --> 02:59:40,319
open lines all night long until then be

3751
02:59:44,630 --> 02:59:41,760
safe

3752
02:59:47,130 --> 02:59:44,640
go back Lee tappy

3753
02:59:47,820 --> 02:59:47,140
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3754
03:00:00,930 --> 02:59:47,830
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3755
03:00:00,940 --> 03:00:17,090
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